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Old 11-01-2009, 06:32 PM   #501
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Post up when they've decided on a name. For now, all this info is just speculation.
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hope this is something for ya

http://www.performancecar.co.nz/news...t-86-confirmed
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It sort of solidifies the info posted earlier about the drop-top rumor.
I, for one, don't care about this version, but at least it gives more options.
The article said it best, there's nothing new about a convertible Celica.

C'mon "CELICA".
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agreed, heard about the rumor, looked it up and saw that site. but dont care about it.


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It sort of solidifies the info posted earlier about the drop-top rumor.
I, for one, don't care about this version, but at least it gives more options.
The article said it best, there's nothing new about a convertible Celica.

C'mon "CELICA".
I have to admit, the more I insist that I'd be happy with any nameplate on that car the more I find that I'm actually lying, and really, really want "Celica"

But then again, I've owned three Celicas already, so why not get a fourth?
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I wonder if there'd be an ST model.
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^i doubt they would name it that, it would be too difficult for most to pronounce
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it sounds like speakers to me.
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Does it sound like a boxer engine to you?
Sounds almost F20C-ish, Never heard a N/A boxer rev to 8k though.

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it sounds like speakers to me.
You can hear it going through gears. Definitely a recording.
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I think they put this car in the latest gran turismo, so that's probably what you are hearing.
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sounds like a small boxer engine.
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If they keep the curb weight under 2600 lbs and it makes at least 200 hp sae, i will buy one., provided they offer a manual trans.

If they bump curb weight to 2700 it will need to make the reported 230 hp to make me want to pick one up.

Once they go past 2700 then it starts needing to compete with cars like the 370z, s2000, and the rest of the cars in the upper 20's low 30k price range.

So for toyotas sake, they need to stick with the same design philosiphy they took with the celica, keep it light, keep it simple, keep it cheap.


If they some how mange the unthinkable and put in a car at 2600 lbs with 230 sae hp, expect it to cost low-mid 30k range, and out of the reach of the younger crowd they would hope to draw in.


Realistically, I'm setting my expectations on it being a 2900 lbs 200-220 hp rwd coupe for mid 20k.
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Due to it's size comparison to other cars, I don't think it's going to weigh that much.
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Due to it's size comparison to other cars, I don't think it's going to weigh that much.
it's all about comprimises.

They either make it heavy and slow and cheap

Or they make it light and slow and affordable

Or they make it light and fast and expensive.

Its not cheap nor easy to design a rwd sports car that weighs under 3000lbs and has any significant amount of power and reliability.

Take the corvette for example. Great performing car but its expensive, its both light and fast.

Take the mazda miata its light and slow and affordable.

Take the hundai genesis its heavy and slow and cheap.

They cant make it light and fast and cheap.
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the mule in the pic looks like it has the taillights off the impreza sedan, or is that just me?
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The mule is just a chassis that has body parts tacked onto it from everything in the Subaru recycle bin.
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If they keep the curb weight under 2600 lbs and it makes at least 200 hp sae, i will buy one., provided they offer a manual trans.

If they bump curb weight to 2700 it will need to make the reported 230 hp to make me want to pick one up.

Once they go past 2700 then it starts needing to compete with cars like the 370z, s2000, and the rest of the cars in the upper 20's low 30k price range.

So for toyotas sake, they need to stick with the same design philosiphy they took with the celica, keep it light, keep it simple, keep it cheap


If they some how mange the unthinkable and put in a car at 2600 lbs with 230 sae hp, expect it to cost low-mid 30k range, and out of the reach of the younger crowd they would hope to draw in.


Realistically, I'm setting my expectations on it being a 2900 lbs 200-220 hp rwd coupe for mid 20k.

Unfortunately, it wasn't cheap for what it offered...
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So for toyotas sake, they need to stick with the same design philosiphy they took with the celica, keep it light, keep it simple, keep it cheap.
You made me laugh!
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Lets pray that the 6 speed trans is the same jdm trans that Toyota already uses in the RS200! Makes sense that it would be as its the same producer and would mean less R&D. Now being able to get anything but the flat four atrocity in is another story...
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Now being able to get anything but the flat four atrocity in is another story...
This car would be 100% perfect if it came with a 20B.
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This car would be 100% perfect if it came with a 20B.
screw the 20b, that thing is a dinosaur - I want the new 1.6L, direct injected high compression twin rotor.
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screw the 20b, that thing is a dinosaur - I want the new 1.6L, direct injected high compression twin rotor.
They are having issues with it from what I last heard. Something like the gains & numbers are not satisfactory with the amount of development or some jargon like that.
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^^ i didn't think that it could get any worse...but you proved me wrong.
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They are having issues with it from what I last heard. Something like the gains & numbers are not satisfactory with the amount of development or some jargon like that.
this disappoints me. The rotary is one of the smoothest motors out there.

The flat-4 is one of the roughest pieces of crap in existence.
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Unfortunately, it wasn't cheap for what it offered...
I paid 21K OTD for my 2002 6spd celica GT-S with the action package, in southern california with 8.5% sales / lic tax included in 2002.

That was pretty cheap for the performance it offered.

At that time there was only 1 competetor on the horizon which was the acura, which was heavier / more expensive / and had 20 more hp.

Around 2003 and up toyota started to hike up the price of the celica, presumably to recoup the cost of replacing all the blown engines from d-bag drivers who couldn't shift properly from previous years. People stopped buying them when they started hiking up the price.

The point was from 2000-2002 it was cheap compared to the market that was out there. It sold well in those years.

Now look at the market, its saturated with cheap fwd coupes (cheap being under 20k) with more power and options than the celica has / had.
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I paid 21K OTD for my 2002 6spd celica GT-S with the action package, in southern california with 8.5% sales / lic tax included in 2002.

That was pretty cheap for the performance it offered.

At that time there was only 1 competetor on the horizon which was the acura, which was heavier / more expensive / and had 20 more hp.

Around 2003 and up toyota started to hike up the price of the celica, presumably to recoup the cost of replacing all the blown engines from d-bag drivers who couldn't shift properly from previous years. People stopped buying them when they started hiking up the price.

The point was from 2000-2002 it was cheap compared to the market that was out there. It sold well in those years.

Now look at the market, its saturated with cheap fwd coupes (cheap being under 20k) with more power and options than the celica has / had.
I bet you started kicking yourself when you realized what the K-Series could do.
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I bet you started kicking yourself when you realized what the K-Series could do.
Not really no.

The only issue I ever had with the celica was the lack of aftermarket support. The RSX definately had that and I think that is what you are referring to?

Eitherway, not really a celica vs rsx thread, this is more so about the FT-86, and how toyota will save their arse, or make a gigantic failure depending on where the car sits with it's performance to price ratio.
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I'm betting it comes in at $25K or so. The only question is weight and power. The stated intention is light weight. So my guess is that the power will be over 200, but probably not by much.

Weight wise I am HOPING for 2500, but expecting 3000
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Im hoping for 2500lb but I expect more 2700lb. If the S2000 can keep 2850 lbs with it being convert, I dont see a reason for this not to be under 2800 even with new regulations.
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I'm betting it comes in at $25K or so. The only question is weight and power. The stated intention is light weight. So my guess is that the power will be over 200, but probably not by much.

Weight wise I am HOPING for 2500, but expecting 3000
Tada, chief engineer for the project, claims they are shooting for something in the 180 to 230 ballpark.

That's a big range, but if they keep the weight around 2600, something around 200 wouldn't be bad considering it will probably make half way decent torque and be powering the right wheels.
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What is with these fvcking dunces that keep posting "exciting new news regarding the new celica!".
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I don't like the design better than the 7th gen Celica. Anyone else have mixed feelings on the design?

The roof line looks too boxy, I like the curved A pillars we have and the rear quarter window looks too small.

I think if they change them, it would give the car a more exotic look, something like this cheap Paint chop:



A nice tastsful spoiler or let Toyota go TRD on in would round out the exterior nicely.

The interior just sucks IMO. The dash looks like they forgot about it and the seats look too much like a "B" Sci-Fi movie prop. Hopefully the production cars will improve on this and give us a nice cockpit.
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I don't like the design better than the 7th gen Celica. Anyone else have mixed feelings on the design?

The roof line looks too boxy, I like the curved A pillars we have and the rear quarter window looks too small.

I think if they change them, it would give the car a more exotic look, something like this cheap Paint chop:

A nice tastsful spoiler or let Toyota go TRD on in would round out the exterior nicely.

The interior just sucks IMO. The dash looks like they forgot about it and the seats look too much like a "B" Sci-Fi movie prop. Hopefully the production cars will improve on this and give us a nice cockpit.
There are some aspects of the Toyota Design that I do not like. Mainly the rear end design. I feel that the Subaru version is a lot better.

I think a lot of us have expressed positive feelings for the interior, but something like appearance is totally subjective.
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What do you think the bolt pattern will be? The ever popular 5x114.3 or 5x100?
If it turns out to be a flop, I at least hope the wheels are the same. I like them.

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Probably a 5x100.
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I think I would like the curved A-pillar but with the small rear window carrying the same backwards angle. I'll chop something later.
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you guys are deluding yourself if you think the car can meet modern safety and emissions standards (the nanny state) and weigh under 2800 lbs.

Also don't expect more than 200 hp out of a 2.0 liter flat 4 at this price point (although assume you can get a bit more out of it if you can tweak the vvtl-i), and don't expect it to rev freely or smoothly to a lofty redline either. That thing is a vibration box.
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There are some aspects of the Toyota Design that I do not like. Mainly the rear end design. I feel that the Subaru version is a lot better.

I think a lot of us have expressed positive feelings for the interior, but something like appearance is totally subjective.


Agreed 100%. Appearance is totaly subjective. Everyone is going to the "Retro" type of design it seems. I feel it's played out. I like the nice ergo interiors of the late 90's to early 2000 cars. Lots of smooth curves, applostery, little metal or blatent plastic.
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IL has also learned that Subaru's car will be slightly larger than the Toyota thanks to a stretched platform.

Because of its larger size, extra power and all-wheel drive, expect the Subaru to come in around $30,000, about $5,000 more than the Toyota. This keeps the two coupes from directly competing with each other, and from potentially stealing sales from the Subaru Impreza WRX.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:05 PM   #543
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Is that now offically offical? This is kind of old news, but was orignally sourced from Best Car, and not verified.
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50hp, stretched, AWD... i think that's worth the $5k
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Nope. Take it at face value.
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you guys are deluding yourself if you think the car can meet modern safety and emissions standards (the nanny state) and weigh under 2800 lbs.

Also don't expect more than 200 hp out of a 2.0 liter flat 4 at this price point (although assume you can get a bit more out of it if you can tweak the vvtl-i), and don't expect it to rev freely or smoothly to a lofty redline either. That thing is a vibration box.
A S2000 tips the scales at 2800lbs, A MX-5 2400lbs, and a Civic Si 2800lbs.

Its not impossible to be under 2800lbs. The MX-5 also has a longer wheelbase IIRC.
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A S2000 tips the scales at 2800lbs, A MX-5 2400lbs, and a Civic Si 2800lbs.

Its not impossible to be under 2800lbs. The MX-5 also has a longer wheelbase IIRC.
Agreed, and I was thinking the same thing. The Si is probably the best to compare since it actually has back seats. It's almost 2900 lbs, but looks to be slightly bigger in all of the overlay pics, so I could see this car coming in under 2800 pretty easily.
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Yeah, I saw this over on 216a.org. There's an interesting thread about whether or not that 2.0L 250hp engine is going to be NA or turbocharged. I think it's going to be turbo (at least I hope!).
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A S2000 tips the scales at 2800lbs, A MX-5 2400lbs, and a Civic Si 2800lbs.

Its not impossible to be under 2800lbs. The MX-5 also has a longer wheelbase IIRC.
S2000 does not comply with modern emissions and safety standards - if they built it today it would be 3000+

MX-5 only seats two and doesn't have a top. Add the PRHT and it still weighs 2619 lbs. Add rear seats and grow the dimensions . . . do the math. Also, the car is not modern - its 4 years old.

The SI is a great reference point - because yes, it comes in at 2900 lbs (2895 for the 2010 coupe) with modern safety and emissions, but keep in mind, it doesn't have the added weight of a transmission tunnel going through the entire length of the car and to the rear wheels.

So in order for this car to hit the 2800 lb mark its going to have to use some seriously lightweight (expensive) materials. I know they could do it, but not at this price point ($25,000 - right in line with a base Miata and the Civic SI).

I want this car to succeed, I really do - but just look at the Coupes that have come out recently, the Genesis, the Z - they're all still very heavy compared to what cars weighed 10 or 20 years ago - and this is because the nannies dictate extensive safety equipment, and the consumer demands all sorts of weight-adding bells and whistles.
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So in order for this car to hit the 2800 lb mark its going to have to use some seriously lightweight (expensive) materials. I know they could do it, but not at this price point ($25,000 - right in line with a base Miata and the Civic SI).

I want this car to succeed, I really do - but just look at the Coupes that have come out recently, the Genesis, the Z - they're all still very heavy compared to what cars weighed 10 or 20 years ago - and this is because the nannies dictate extensive safety equipment, and the consumer demands all sorts of weight-adding bells and whistles.
My thoughts exactly.

We're holding onto a miracle that it will be under 2800 lbs and cost less than 25K with 200+hp.

The subaru variant however looks promising. The only downside is subaru is using a new POS 6 speed trans that is a variant of the glass box wrx transmissions in their new LGT's and NOT the bombproof US STI 6speed. I fully expect the subaru variant to have this pos trans.

Depending on toyota's arrangements with subaru for the drivetrain components, I'm willing to be the FT-86 will also have the same trans. Though with a N/A 2wd powerplant the new subi 6speed would be just fine.
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