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#21 ·
HippyVibe said:
jetboy said:
I think my 03 XRS is in the 2700's too. It would take a couple of BIG boys in the Celi to even out the weight/aerodynamics differance.
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The weight difference is undeniable, but I believe at speeds only slightly above 90mph (in the 1/4 mile) that aerodynamics is negligible. In the 0-60, which is normally what I do (can afford the car payments, but not a ticket on top of that), aerodynamics between the Celi and the Vibe are most DEFINITELY negligible.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the Celica GT-S won, it IS a sports coupe and the Matrix/Vibe is a 5 door wagon... I just would like to see how close it is! Plus, my Vibe GT has a lot of goodies:

Eibach 1.2" Pro Lowering Kit
SportMax Racing Rims
Dunlop SP Sport 9000 tires
AEM Short Ram Cold Air Intake
FlowMaster 60 Series Delta Flow Muffler
TRD Front STB (anti-roll bar)
Progress RSB (anti-roll bar)

I'd love to know how it would do against a stock GT-S but the likely-hood of one of you guys being from Vegas is so slim that any Celica will do!
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So you have I/E. The aerodynamics are a factor from the beginning to the end.
sO mAnY mOdS said:
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a vibe/matrix would not get killed that bad...prolly like 1.5 cars
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How do you figure. a mid 15 vs a high 14 is about 6-7 cars. 1 tenth is generally 1 car length.
 
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NoRulzAt140 Mph said:
So you have I/E. The aerodynamics are a factor from the beginning to the end.



How do you figure. a mid 15 vs a high 14 is about 6-7 cars. 1 tenth is generally 1 car length.
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You make it sound like aerodynamics has something to do with I/E, I never said they had anything to do with each other. I said that below 60mph you're not creating enough drag that there is that much of a difference in aerodynamics between the two cars.
The Celica is a lot lower to the ground but the Vibe is no "brick", as someone put it. It's got very smooth lines. I would almost be willing to bet money that a Celica GT-S, not modded more than my Vibe GT, would NOT win by 6 or 7 car lengths. Anyhow, enough talk... We can talk until we're all blue in the face, but there was actually a point to this thread:
To actually test a "Vibe GT vs Celica GT-S" in reality!

Ps. I also have Denso Iridium Sparks but I don't know how much that actually effects times, if at all.
 
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Another thing I don't get, which I think deserves a whole post of it's own, is that you say the Vibe GT is a mid 15 second car (Modernracer.com says 15.7) and you say that the Celica GT-S is a high 14 second car (Modernracer.com says 15.4). Now why would Modern racer be right about the Vibe GT and not about the Celica GTS? Any argument you could make for high-revving engines being difficult to test drive, etc, etc, could be made for both cars.
 
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#24 ·
HippyVibe said:
NoRulzAt140 Mph said:
So you have I/E. The aerodynamics are a factor from the beginning to the end.



How do you figure. a mid 15 vs a high 14 is about 6-7 cars. 1 tenth is generally 1 car length.
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You make it sound like aerodynamics has something to do with I/E, I never said they had anything to do with each other. I said that below 60mph you're not creating enough drag that there is that much of a difference in aerodynamics between the two cars.
The Celica is a lot lower to the ground but the Vibe is no "brick", as someone put it. It's got very smooth lines. I would almost be willing to bet money that a Celica GT-S, not modded more than my Vibe GT, would NOT win by 6 or 7 car lengths. Anyhow, enough talk... We can talk until we're all blue in the face, but there was actually a point to this thread:
To actually test a "Vibe GT vs Celica GT-S" in reality!

Ps. I also have Denso Iridium Sparks but I don't know how much that actually effects times, if at all.
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1. The 1zz/2zz has denso iridium spark plugs. Nothing special.

2. I mentioned the aerod's in two seperat sentences. You said, "Yea, but I have these goodies". I just meant you have i/e. The other goodies dont mean squat in a straight line race. Well, The suspension may help your launch and thats about it.

3. Why wouldnt a Vibe GT Lose by 6 or 7 car lenths? Because you said so? Because you THINK so? Math and common sense elude you.

4. You keep saying there isnt enough drag at 60 MPH. There is. The difference is from the gate. Period. The affect it has on the cars is minimal at 60, yes. But relative to one another, one has the advantage over another.
HippyVibe said:
Another thing I don't get, which I think deserves a whole post of it's own, is that you say the Vibe GT is a mid 15 second car (Modernracer.com says 15.7) and you say that the Celica GT-S is a high 14 second car (Modernracer.com says 15.4). Now why would Modern racer be right about the Vibe GT and not about the Celica GTS? Any argument you could make for high-revving engines being difficult to test drive, etc, etc, could be made for both cars.
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They got a 15.7 in the Vibe THAT day and got a 15.4 in a GTS that day.

Mag racing is like cybersex. Its only worth doing if you are never going to do it in reality.
 
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I have an idea.. why don't you guys with the stock Vibe GT's just go to a track and get some slips.. then we can compare. My stock time is in my sig. Full interior, no weight reduction.
 
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NoRulzAt140 Mph said:
Mag racing is like cybersex. Its only worth doing if you are never going to do it in reality.
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cool quote!!! how about this one....
nitrous is like a hot chick with an STD you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences.... :rofl:
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
1: Maybe Celica 1zz/2zz engines have Denso Iridium sparks? But I'm pretty positive that my sparks aren't stock, whether it effects anything or not.
2: I knew your point was partly that everything except I/E meant squat, but as you so kindly pointed out, suspension does make a difference. The rest is just weight in a straight line race, you're correct, thought aftermarket rims are perhaps a bit lighter?
3: You've been aggressive since this whole thing started, all I said from post ONE was that I wanted to see what would happen in person... But you feel the need to turn this into the same stupid little argument that goes on all over the forum? The point in this thread was to END the argument, not to start it. As much as you'd LOVE to believe it, a Celica owning a Vibe is not common sense. Anyway, what more do you want from me? I want a FUN race and comparison and all you want to do is argue about whether I'll get beat by 1 car length or 7, I already said I wouldn't be surprised to lose, ok? Just drop it now.
4: You just admitted that the drag on the two cars under 60mph is minimal, I believe that is more or less the exact same thing as me saying that below 60mph the drag is negligable. I never said there was ABSOLUTELY NO difference between the two below 60, just that it's so minimal it doesn't make that much of a difference... But yes, if you were to measure the drag from the second you leave the line, it is there and it is a factor... Just not a big one.

Not one of you guys in Vegas? =-o
 
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#28 ·
HippyVibe said:
1: Maybe Celica 1zz/2zz engines have Denso Iridium sparks? But I'm pretty positive that my sparks aren't stock, whether it effects anything or not.
2: I knew your point was partly that everything except I/E meant squat, but as you so kindly pointed out, suspension does make a difference. The rest is just weight in a straight line race, you're correct, thought aftermarket rims are perhaps a bit lighter?
3: You've been aggressive since this whole thing started, all I said from post ONE was that I wanted to see what would happen in person... But you feel the need to turn this into the same stupid little argument that goes on all over the forum? The point in this thread was to END the argument, not to start it. As much as you'd LOVE to believe it, a Celica owning a Vibe is not common sense. Anyway, what more do you want from me? I want a FUN race and comparison and all you want to do is argue about whether I'll get beat by 1 car length or 7, I already said I wouldn't be surprised to lose, ok? Just drop it now.
4: You just admitted that the drag on the two cars under 60mph is minimal, I believe that is more or less the exact same thing as me saying that below 60mph the drag is negligable. I never said there was ABSOLUTELY NO difference between the two below 60, just that it's so minimal it doesn't make that much of a difference... But yes, if you were to measure the drag from the second you leave the line, it is there and it is a factor... Just not a big one.

Not one of you guys in Vegas? =-o
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I havent been agressive. You are just too sensitive if a persons comments on the internt affect you. A persons tone on the internet is hard to depict.

Aftermarket rims CAN be lighter but unless you pay big bucks, are usually heavier.
 
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Discussion starter · #30 ·
kmlgts said:
best thing to do is stop asking for someone to come race u.. if u want to try it that bad y dont u go find someone and race..
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How do you figure? I thought a huge, active Celica community would be the best place to find a Celica in Vegas that would be interested in comparing. Also, if you even read my first post, you'd see that I've NEVER seen a GT-S in Vegas. Maybe the best thing to do is if you don't want to race me and have nothing productive to say (such as yourself), don't say anything.

"Because you said so? Because you think so? Math and common sense elude you"... I'm afraid I can't imagine a tone that would make that pleasant.
 
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#33 ·
HippyVibe said:
I'm afraid you are wrong. Perhaps there is some technicality that the Vibe comes with more options for less $ but as far as the cars go they have the exact same engine and weigh the same amount. The ratings on the engines have changed somewhat, however. In '03 Pontiac and Toyota were rating both cars at 180hp, since then that rating has dropped... With Toyota rating their '05 Matrix at only 164hp and Pontiac rating their '05 Vibe GT at 170hp. Lift engagement has been raised 300rpm every year after '03 (up from 6200rpm in '03), this may account for the lower HP rating.

According to Toyota.com the '05 Matrix XRS weighs 2800lbs.
According to Pontiac.com the '05 Vibe GT weighs 2780lbs.
If anything the Pontiac is lighter.
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I believe the sae hp calculations have changed for the year 2005 which could explain the different readings? Why the matrix is different i have no idea why.
 
#34 ·
HippyVibe said:
"Because you said so? Because you think so? Math and common sense elude you"... I'm afraid I can't imagine a tone that would make that pleasant.
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Well you were just SAYING things without evidence or when they were still being logically conrtadicted.

As far as looking for a race, I think asking on here wasnt such a bad idea.
 
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Discussion starter · #37 ·
Hehehe... He doesn't need any luck! I know he'll take the Vibe GT easy... But the question is: How easy? MUAHAHAHAHA!
 
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Discussion starter · #39 ·
End of 4th huh? You gonna cover both our tickets? =-P
 
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