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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=120549
First Impressions:
A bulldog among small-car lap dogs.

The littlest Scion gets tough with more motor, more style.

The new 2008 Scion xD doesn't have much of a legacy to overcome. The Scion xA, its predecessor, has always been the other car in the three-car Scion lineup, not as shocking as the iconic xB box and not as smoothly successful as the tC coupe.

Up to now, the small Scion has been the one that no one cares about and most people don't even know about, a collection of mundane mechanical pieces buried under a molehill of amorphous sheet metal and indistinct plastic.

The 2008 Scion xD, on the other hand, is nothing if not distinctive. Its profile is a unique mix of hatchback and Mack truck, and it features a rambunctious four-cylinder engine that Toyota has never before offered in North America. Even the interior is both versatile and cleverly detailed.

Unlike the xA, the 2008 xD will be tough to overlook. Particularly if, as expected, Scion keeps the car's base price down near $14,000 when it goes on sale this August.

Bulldog Look, Bulldog Character
Scion says the Japanese-designed xD has a "high beltline with powerful front bumpers [that] give it a substantial presence." OK, whatever. What the xD looks like to us is the classic, snub-nose 1916 Mack AC truck that gave rise to Mack's well-known bulldog mascot. Like that ancient truck, the xD looks pugnacious and utilitarian. Though the Scion xD measures out much like the Honda Fit, from its 96.9-inch wheelbase to its 60.0-inch height, the xD seems far less self-conscious. It's also more aggressive than the Nissan Versa, more substantial than the Chevy Aveo, and simply better than the Toyota Yaris.

The four-door xD's closest relative is in fact the two-door Yaris hatchback, and both cars share the same basic unibody structure, MacPherson-strut front suspension, torsion-beam rear suspension, front disc and rear drum brakes, and electric rack-and-pinion steering. The xD is 4.1 inches longer overall than the Yaris hatch and 1.2 inches wider, but both cars are the same height and both have a 16-valve DOHC four-cylinder engine positioned transversely under the hood that drives the front wheels.

But in place of the Yaris' wimpy 106-horsepower, 1.5-liter four-cylinder with variable valve timing on the intake cam, the xD gets a 128-hp, 1.8-liter four with variable valve timing on both the intake and exhaust camshafts. Backed by either a five-speed manual or four-speed automatic transaxle, the xD's engine is neither particularly loud nor particularly quiet about its work, but its torque curve is robust compared to that of engines in most twerp-class runabouts. The shift action of the five-speed manual isn't particularly clean, either, but it helps make the xD feel a bit quicker than the 107-hp Honda Fit.

Though the xD's 195/60R16 all-season tires don't seem impressive, relatively aggressive suspension tuning helps the car corner more tenaciously and with less roll than the Yaris. At the same time, the steering lacks the strong feeling of precision and stability that you find in the Fit, while the xD's combination of ABS, electronic brakeforce distribution and supplementary brake-assist pressure can't help compensate for the lack of pedal feel that comes with the use of rear drum brakes. Stability control is standard equipment and it's quite effective, but you can switch it off if you're looking for fun.

The xD deserves a more expressive exhaust note to reflect its engine's relative muscularity. But while power gives the xD a contentious character, this is not really a sporting machine in the manner of a Honda Civic Si or VW GTI. It may be a bulldog among lapdogs, but it doesn't have the might to take on the big dogs.

It Has Dimples
What the xD lacks in ultimate sporting ability it significantly compensates for with the design, flexibility and quality of the interior.

There isn't a surface on the xD's interior that lacks the feel of nicely textured quality. Golf ball-like dimples cover most of dashboard and door panel surfaces, and the few switches work with easy precision. The feeling of quality is furthered by nicely shaped front seats and a surprisingly comfortable rear seat.

As you might expect, the electronics are really the interior's most interesting aspect. There really isn't much in the way of gauges, but the single element in which the speedometer needle swings clockwise and the tachometer needle swings counterclockwise is attractive, intuitive and just really neat. It gives the whole environment an avant-garde style rare in any car.

And this style is furthered by a choice of audio systems that sound great. A Pioneer system with integrated iPod port and loads of speakers is standard, but the optional Pioneer system that includes the ability to personalize the display with "skins" is even better. And if that's not enough, an optional navigation system will play DVDs when the car is parked.

There's plenty of practicality, too: 84.5 cubic feet of passenger volume, and the 60/40-split rear seat reclines slightly for comfort. Laying down the seatbacks provide ample cargo room. Some hidden cubbyhole storage beneath the load floor in back is also available. The numbers indicate that Honda's Fit will swallow slightly more total cargo, but the xD offers enough for most people.

And if the xD crashes, side curtain and seat-mounted front side airbags are standard.

Finish Yourself
With its just-plain-ugly plastic wheel covers and minimal instrumentation, the xD can seem almost incomplete, as if it's missing the finishing touches that give a car some road presence. In fact this is intentional, as Scion wants xD buyers (and xB buyers for that matter) to consider their new purchases as just the starting point in a whole program of personalization.

For instance, there will be 40 Scion- and TRD-branded dealer-installed accessories available for the xD upon its launch, including more aggressive 16-, 17-, 18- and 19-inch wheels. There are also functional items like a quick-shift kit, big brakes, shorter springs, an exhaust system, a carbon-fiber engine cover and an overhead console. Beyond this, aftermarket companies like Lund, Sparco and Yakima are also committed to making personalization of the new Scion easy.

Personalization is all fine and dandy, but it helps if the car itself has some substance. And in the new xD, Scion seems to have built a car that makes it worth going through the hassle of personalization.






I didn't care much about the first gen. and I don't really care much about this one, either. I like that it has dual vvt-i, though.

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You can't pick up chicks in anything that says Toyota on it (yes, even the Supra. Women don't care about speed).

You can pick up chicks in just about anything that says "Ferrari" or "Aston Martin" though.
 

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neological said:
You can't pick up chicks in anything that says Toyota on it (yes, even the Supra. Women don't care about speed).

You can pick up chicks in just about anything that says "Ferrari" or "Aston Martin" though.

what about a lexus? It's part of the toyota family. I think i can pick up a chick with a lexus.
 

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epicwolf said:
neological said:
You can't pick up chicks in anything that says Toyota on it (yes, even the Supra. Women don't care about speed).

You can pick up chicks in just about anything that says "Ferrari" or "Aston Martin" though.

what about a lexus? It's part of the toyota family. I think i can pick up a chick with a lexus.
"Hey baby. Check out my ride. Its really reliable. The ride quality is fantastic and my steering is numb. Its rated really highly in initial quality and customer satisfaction. When I drive, its like novacaine."
 

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marc said:
epicwolf said:
neological said:
You can't pick up chicks in anything that says Toyota on it (yes, even the Supra. Women don't care about speed).

You can pick up chicks in just about anything that says "Ferrari" or "Aston Martin" though.

what about a lexus? It's part of the toyota family. I think i can pick up a chick with a lexus.
"Hey baby. Check out my ride. Its really reliable. The ride quality is fantastic and my steering is numb. Its rated really highly in initial quality and customer satisfaction. When I drive, its like novacaine."
hahahahah
 

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finally!!!! dual vvt-i... that means the exhaust has vvt-i too...nice... imo, the intake vvt will now be more effective with the exhaust vvt...
 

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Comparison Test: 08 xD Vs. 07 Fit Sport

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=121117/pageId=124906
Honda Has a Fit
While the Honda Civic has never shown a big thirst at the gas pump, its ever-increasing dimensions (and price) have squeezed it out of the entry-level market. Korean-built subcompacts have eagerly filled the void, hungry for the chance to secure new customers. And then, of course, Scion arrived in 2004, changing the rules in the entry-level market entirely.

Enter the Fit, which burst onto the U.S. market in 2006. First introduced in Japan, some 250,000 were sold there in 2002, which topped the country's sales charts. Just 35,000 examples of the Fit have been allocated yearly to American Honda, and 27,934 were sold over nine months in 2006.

Pricing for a base-model Fit starts at $14,445 and includes a full complement of safety features and most of the available convenience items. We tested the Honda Fit Sport, more fully equipped and vastly more popular as well. For $15,765 our Fit Sport features 15-inch alloy wheels carrying 195/55HR15 tires, cruise control, keyless entry, foglights, aero-style bodywork trim and a better stereo with an auxiliary input.

Every Fit features a 16-valve DOHC inline-4 with Honda's step-type VTEC variable valve timing, and the engine develops 109 horsepower.

Scion, You Crazy Diamond
As a branding exercise, the Scion experiment has been a huge success. Out of nowhere Scion has become the No. 1 Internet brand, with 80 percent name recognition among online shoppers under age 35. Even so, only 28,033 examples of the Scion xA were sold in 2006, less than half the number of Scion xB sales.

As a result, Scion has decided to renew the entry-level Scion's identity at the same time that it renews the hardware, so the xD has appeared. Banished is the anemic 103-hp 1.5-liter engine, and it's replaced by a 128-hp 1.8-liter mill with variable valve timing for both the intake and exhaust cams. The xD also makes side airbags standard, not optional as they were for the xA. The tires have grown to 195/60HR16s, and electronic stability control is available as an option. Features such as cruise control and keyless entry are now standard.

Standard content costs money, so a 2008 Scion xD will cost more than an xA when it goes on sale in August. Exact prices have not yet been announced, but expect the price of the xD to begin at about $15,080. Of course our test car had the optional stability control, a stereo upgrade and illuminated door sills, so we believe its as-tested price sits around $16,368, give or take a bit.

What Counts Is What's Inside
The Honda Fit and the Scion xD rest on nearly identical wheelbases, some 96.5 inches for the Honda and 96.9 inches for the Scion. Their other dimensions are also nearly the same, with the Fit measuring 2.7 inches longer while the Scion spreads 1.7 inches wider. These cars are both 60.0 inches tall.

Both of these front-wheel-drive cars have transverse four-cylinder engines. Both have strut-type front suspension. Both have a twist-beam rear axle (think of it as essentially a huge stabilizer bar with the wheels mounted on the ends) that helps to lower the height of the floor in the rear of the car even as it creates a void for a spare tire.

Honda even improves the Fit's space-efficiency by locating the fuel tank under the front seats. As a result, the floor height goes down farther still, enabling the second-row seatbacks to fold forward all the way into the footwells, creating a dead-flat loading floor and 41.9 cubic feet of cargo capacity. The seat bottoms can also be folded up to meet a normally positioned seatback, creating a "tall mode" suitable for standing a bicycle up in the backseat. In comparison, the Scion affords 35.7 cubic feet once the conventional split-back folding seats have been laid down.

The Honda Fit Sport offers 90.1 cubic feet of passenger volume and the Scion xD has 84.5 cubic feet of living space. In our experience, a wide variety of body shapes can find a comfortable fit behind the wheel of both cars, perhaps helped by the high hip point for the seating position. The Honda Fit's driving position and control layout did seem sized for smaller drivers, though, as the steering wheel fouled the knees of our tallest driver and the pedal action seemed designed for drivers who sit very close to the steering wheel.

Which One Is Go, Again?
Although we had VTEC-inspired expectations of extreme performance from the Fit Sport, our Honda hatch proved loath to accelerate without judicious rowing of the five-speed gearbox. This 16-valve DOHC inline-4's 109 hp and 105 pound-feet of torque aren't quite enough to move this 2,472-pound box smartly enough to make highway merges and passing maneuvers a matter of routine.

The Scion xD has 128 hp and 125 lb-ft of torque underfoot, so it moves out with much less fuss, despite weighing 2,615 pounds (143 pounds more than the Fit). Daily driving proved to be far less of a stress test, and fewer downshifts were required to summon up speed at the right moments.

At the test track, all this boiled down to an 8.4-second run to 60 mph in the Scion xD, compared to 9.0-second acceleration to 60 mph for the Fit.

Fuel economy laurels go to the 2007-model Fit, but just barely. At first the Fit's rating of 33 mpg city/38 highway seems to trounce the 2008-model Scion xD's estimated 27 city/33 highway. But don't get all excited. Once you convert the 2007 Fit to the new 2008 EPA methodology, the Honda's rating changes to 28 city/34 highway, just 1 mpg better than the xD.

Road Manners
Agile handling is one of the Fit's strong points, and our nimble 2,472-pound test car felt light on its Dunlop all-season feet. The Fit's electric power steering didn't seem to compromise steering effort or feedback from the tires.

Our track tests bear out the Fit Sport's edge in agility, as its 63.3-mph slalom run and 0.81g skid-pad performance were a bit better than the Scion's efforts of 61.1 mph and 0.78g.

But at higher speeds on the open road, the Fit felt a bit too eager to change direction and it acquiesced to the whims of crosswinds and passing big rigs. The Fit's firm suspension also transmitted too many details of the road's texture to the interior, and the car frequently felt somewhat tense or even nervous and could have used a little more straight-line stability.

The xD has a different vibe altogether. Its steering response is sedate, although not sluggish. The electric power steering doesn't deliver a natural, transparent feel, and there's too little natural realigning steering torque. But the Scion almost always feels solidly planted on its Bridgestone all-season tires. It's calm and stable at freeway speeds, with better mastery of road imperfections than the Fit and good straight-ahead sense.

Safety Dance
On the safety front, both the Honda and the Scion stack up well. Both have standard four-wheel ABS with electronic brakeforce distribution and the Scion adds brake assist if it senses a panic stop. At the test track, both cars stopped equally well from 60 mph, with the Fit coming to a halt in 122 feet and the xD stopping in 123 feet.

With the Fit, Honda has made a point about "Safety for Everyone," committing itself to providing even affordable cars with the best safety technology available. What this means for the Fit is lots of safety as standard equipment, including ABS, front-seat side airbags and curtain-type head-protection airbags for both front and rear passengers.

Scion's xD ups the safety ante a bit more. It offers the same airbag count as standard equipment, but then adds active front headrests, outside mirrors with turn signals, and optional stability control.

Practicality: Say It Loud
Based on our analysis, the price difference between a similarly equipped Honda Fit Sport and Scion xD will be minimal. Our estimated price for this 2008 Scion xD test car is $16,368, just $603 more than this 2007 Honda Fit's sticker price of $15,765. If you assign a price of $650 to the xD's optional stability control (its price in a Toyota Corolla), the difference between these two cars evaporates.

When all is said and done, neither of these four-door economy hatchbacks is a bad way to go. The 2007 Honda Fit Sport seems the more practical of the two, with fractionally better fuel economy and huge cargo space. Its agility is a plus, too.

But the 2008 Scion xD is the one that comes out on top for us. With just enough power to deal comfortably with traffic, a more refined ride, a longer list of standard convenience and safety features than the Fit and the availability of stability control, the Scion xD is the best package for us.

How'd kids get so practical all of a sudden?



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TRD xD

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/05/its-the-trd-ist-ist-around/
The oddly-named JDM Toyota ist was formally introduced this week, and as was the case with the Toyota Blade Master, another new arrival in Japan's Toyota stores, a range of TRD accessories was announced very shortly thereafter. They do the job of dressing up the rather bland ist, which is Japan's version of the USDM Scion xD.

Naturally, there's a replacement grille, body kit, and new wheels. The look can be further augmented with branded scuff plates, TRD Sportivo suspension parts, and a TRD muffler. Hell, TRD even offers a red engine start button. The US-market Scions have always been pushed as being very customization-friendly, and really, it's no different for the JDM cars. The available accessories do a nice job of dressing things up.




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That front lip looks like it was made out of an egg carton. :thumbdown

I think the xD commerical is pretty amusing, but seriously, this is just another econobox turdster that should be crushed into a cube.
 

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At least stick a 2zz in there. Then it would be worth the TRD badge.
 
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