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Gio has a point somewhat...the Z could stand to lose SOME weight. My boat of a car weights merely 147 pounds more than it at 3447. And that's being a non compact, full sized 4 door sedan with a lot of tech and other weight gainers.

One of the most often complaints I do hear about the Z has always been weight.
You do not have a full size sedan:gap: You also have a smaller engine, and smaller wheels, smaller tires, and less drive train components.

But again, find cars in its playing field lighter?

Every car can lose weight. The Z weighs what most of its competitors weigh. So if it is heavy, then they are all heavy. which isn't fair. Just the case because people compare it to a Celica from 14 years ago, etc. Cars are heavier. The FRS would have been even lighter 10 years ago.
 

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That is the reason for the LS400 comparison, old or not. It's a considerably larger car, with considerably more equipment than the Z.

There is no reason for most of the comparable competition to the Z to weigh as much either, that was the reason for the comparison with the 911. Layout doesn't play that much of a role because physically it's only the driveshaft and exhaust that are different. Remember, the 911 has plumbing going to the front that the 370Z doesn't need because of layout so it's give and take either way.
 

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That is the reason for the LS400 comparison, old or not. It's a considerably larger car, with considerably more equipment than the Z.

There is no reason for most of the comparable competition to the Z to weigh as much either, that was the reason for the comparison with the 911. Layout doesn't play that much of a role because physically it's only the driveshaft and exhaust that are different. Remember, the 911 has plumbing going to the front that the 370Z doesn't need because of layout so it's give and take either way.
I agree the Z isn't by any means light. But it isn't any heavier than it's competition. In fact, it is lighter usually. Now, With its current engine, 3k or less would be sweet.

But if it is so easy to make them lighter, then why aren't there lighter cars? The Porsche is 3k but are all of them 3k?
 

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There aren't lighter cars because of our own fault. Our cars need to protect us from our own stupidity, all of it while making us coffee. :chuckles:
 

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I agree the Z isn't by any means light. But it isn't any heavier than it's competition. In fact, it is lighter usually. Now, With its current engine, 3k or less would be sweet.
Agree.

The Porsche is 3k but are all of them 3k?
Base carrera is 3k. Anything above that, is what the 370 weighs, or more.




Anyway, was watching some videos of a 370. The downshifting rev match, on the MANUAL transmission, is absolutely awesome. Makes me want the car, bad.
 

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There aren't lighter cars because of our own fault. Our cars need to protect us from our own stupidity, all of it while making us coffee. :chuckles:
Doesn't matter WHY there aren't lighter cars. There aren't lighter cars.

So, if, by our own fault, the standards of which a car is built has increased their weight then that is what we have to go from.

By that very statement, a Z is not very heavy.
 

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It's funny. Cars were small and heavy in the early days, then we made them large and heavy. Then we found ways to make them lighter despite the size, then we said they weren't large enough so we made them larger.
Fuel crisis hit and we made them smaller and lighter, we became more efficient at packaging to get better fuel economy.
Then we felt they were crude and started adding equipment because we didn't want to drive soap boxes so we said bye bye to fuel economy. Cars became heavier to give us/save us from our indulgences. We had all the features our hearts desired but now reality hits again and we need to go lighter and smaller again. So it continues. :chuckles:
 

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It's funny. Cars were small and heavy in the early days, then we made them large and heavy. Then we found ways to make them lighter despite the size, then we said they weren't large enough so we made them larger.
Fuel crisis hit and we made them smaller and lighter, we became more efficient at packaging at packaging to get better fuel economy.
Then we felt they were crude and started adding equipment because we didn't want to drive soap boxes. Cars became heavier to save us from our indulgences. We had all the features our hearts desired but now reality hits again and we need to go lighter and smaller again. So it continues. :chuckles:
True and very funny:gap:

Safety equipment should be option and people held accountable, NOT the manufacturer.
 

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Like posted above, if Nissan wants to compete against the 86 they need to bring back the Silvia. Lightweight, RWD, Turbo 4. Silvia.

Fvcking stupid Nissan.
 

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Danger from mass. Protection from full size trucks in SUV clothes. Silver lining is large strides in safety. Better safety and lighter safety every year. However SUV's need to die. Dead limb in the evolution.
 

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I think the Fairlady is fine the way it is. Sure it can use the weight loss, but not by going two cylinders less.

If they go with the Silvia idea, please don't make it like the concepts, the one that made it look like a Sentra. :wtc:
 

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The idea of a 4-banger Z is weird to me, even if it is boosted.

I like the idea of bringing the Silvia back. I just hope they call it a Silvia.
 

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introduce the S16 instead and keep the Z's the way they are
ya right. the 200 turbo's were awesome, to bad we only got the lame 240 here in america. but i totaly agree they should bring that back to compete in the FRS/ genises league & Price range. But for the Z they need to go back to the 3L i6tt.
 

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Discussion Starter #78 (Edited)
Update!

Nissan Working on Mini-Z to target FR-S/BRZ
All-New Compact Turbo Coupe Promises Affordable Performance

On the heels of Nissan's recent motorsport successes -- a factory-backed GT-R placed first in class at the 24 Hours of Nurburgring and the radical DeltaWing stole the show at the 24 Hours of Le Mans -- comes news that executives have finally given the green light for a compact sports car known in house as the "Mini-Z." It's not a new rear-drive Silvia/240SX -- that project was cancelled in late 2008 during the financial crisis. Instead, it's a compact, front-drive-based sports car that will be aimed squarely at the Toyota 86/Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ.

Plans for such a car were first revealed at last year's Shanghai auto show in the form of the Compact Sports Concept. The company spiel called it a unique sports car for drivers in emerging markets leading active lifestyles with an interest in motorsport, but we can expect to see it in established markets as well. As you can see in this rendering that depicts what the car may turn out to be, it has morphed from a sporty hatch into an aggressive coupe. There is also word that there will be an AWD version to go with the base FWD variant, based on the Juke's all-mode 4x4 i-system with torque vectoring.

Though Nissan didn't reveal the concept's powertrain in Shanghai, we've learned it was fitted with the 190-hp, 1.6-liter turbo-four from the Nissan Juke that also served as base for the engine in the DeltaWing. Though the engine gives up some power to the 200-hp flat-four in the Toyobaru, it's said to have a wider torque band with stronger mid-range and top-end response.

China is thought to be the car's main market, but Japan and some European countries are destined to receive small batches as well, with the U.S. still under consideration. Price-wise, the Nissan is expected to undercut the Toyota and Subaru by as much as 10 percent, carrying a sticker price somewhere below $22,000. Nissan will be able to cut production costs and weight by incorporating the current Juke's platform and turbo powertrain. Another major difference will be design. The Mini-Z coupe is expected to follow in the Juke's footsteps and employ some unique lines, eschewing the traditional sports car proportions of the Toyobaru. One insider says the Nissan will be close in size to the Honda CR-Z.

The project was conceived as a joint Japan-China endeavor, with Japan taking the R&D initiative while China worked on design and data assembly, according to a source close to Nissan. It has since been approved by all the relevant departments inside Nissan's HQ, and, according to our source, is well into the development cycle with a debut possible as early as late 2013.
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Looks like a Z made love to a 8C.
 

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It isn't bad, but it isn't drop dead gorgeous. It is different - which isn't bad

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