looks good to me.. now where's the torque graphs?

 

looks good to me.. now where's the torque graphs?

Unfortunately, there were no torque graphs published with the article. However, we should be able to use the hp numbers and the formula: Torque=(Horspower x 5252)/RPM to calculate those torque numbers.

 

nyoneway,
Nice overlay of the dyno runs!

 

if you do that equation, the torque numbers are highest between 3500-4000 rpm, the highest i got was 153 ft/lbs, but i couldnt calculate it very accurately because the dyno graph isnt very exact.

 

vortech is making a SC for the celica? :O

 

vortech is making a SC for the celica? :O

wtf are you talking about?

 

:wtf: for real...what are you talking about?

 

At 2500RPM there's 130lbs of torque compare to stock of 105lb.

 

if you do that equation, the torque numbers are highest between 3500-4000 rpm, the highest i got was 153 ft/lbs...

Exactly. Just imagine, everyone, having far more torque at 3500-4000 rpms with this s/c than we do now when we hit lift. Now that is awesome, usable power when accelerating out of turns and great for real-world driving conditions on the street.

 

vortech is making a SC for the celica? :O

Hell no, write them and/or Jackson racing. Adn they've give you some BS response about how tRD has all the "rights" to make a superchager



BS

they just don't wanna do anything for our car.

 

the only thing that will hold me back is if it doesnt have carb#'s got too pass smog.

OH thats one sweet looking unit

 

That could actually be true. Jackson only uses Eaton blowers. In fact, they have exclusive rights on the use of Eaton blowers in Honda aftermarket applications (IOW, no other manufacturer can buy Eaton units in bulk to resell to the Honda market). Since Toyota uses Eaton units on the V6 supercharger apps, its possible they have a similar deal with Eaton (and/or Magnussen, the disti for Eaton).

Notice that the Blitz kit uses a different type of charger. If JR was willing to use a different blower, they could do something, but they seem pretty content with the Eaton setup.

SC

Hell no, write them and/or Jackson racing. Adn they've give you some BS response about how tRD has all the "rights" to make a superchager



BS

they just don't wanna do anything for our car.

 

At 2500RPM, there's already 50% more HP!

Actually, it's more like 25%. If you look carefully at the y-axis, it starts at 25, not 0. Still pretty impressive, though.

 

Good point.

Well if you want to be more precise, with the aide of digital image enhancement, at 2350 rpm, it gained approx. 17 hp. That is ~40% gain.

Now keep in mind that the base dyno was with stock 16" rims and the 19" is almost twice as heavy.

I stand corrected by saying that 50% gain at 2500rpm more realistic.

 

ho wmuch are they askin for the sc again...if i remember correctly wasnt it like 5 grand...thats alot of money for 60 hp

 

1500 i thought

 

1500 i thought

Nah, it'll cost a LOT more than that. $5000 would be a good estimate.

 

The SC itself shouldn't be $5000... the entire setup, properly tuned should...

 

yeah I was still hopin for a lil more hp though

 

Just wait till someone drives the car with all that added torque. It'll be like driving a different machine altogether. I wouldn't worry too much about the HP just yet, first step is to fix the huge lack of torque in the 2ZZ. That'll provide the biggest difference and the most improvement for that car.

 

when i do get back on my feet and save the money i think that ill just stick with either the xs or eip turbo.By the time I save up they should be released(prob a year)

 

yeah I was still hopin for a lil more hp though

Yeah, more peak HP would be nice. However, Blitz is emphasizing reliability and possibly CARB smog-legal certification over all-out power. You may not break any records at the track with this SC, but you'd have a VERY quick street-car with it. Low to midrange hp/torque and above all, RELIABILITY, are FAR more important for a streetable forced induction kit than peak HP. Remember, it doesn't matter what kind of peak HP you make if you end up blowing up your engine because of it.

Those who aren't satisfied with this can always look into the EIP kit, Turbo Performance's kit, and (for peeps in So Cal) the XS kit. All of these systems can deliver more power than Blitz's S/C for a similar price point (5-6 grand). However, these turbo kits may not be as thoroughly tested and definitely aren't CARB certified.

Remember, there is a very low limit to the amount of boost and HP a 2zz w/ stock compression ratio can manage and still be relatively reliable. How long did Sport Compact's 2zz-powered turbocharged Matrix last again? Something like 6 months? With only a mild 7 psi of boost, and tuned pretty conservatively, 11.5:1 still killed it.

For people that want HUGE, RELIABLE forced-induction power gains with a 2zz, spend the money to beef up its internals and drop compression. Otherwise, get used to the fact that low-boost and modest HP gains are all it can handle.

 

For people that want HUGE, RELIABLE forced-induction power gains with a 2zz, spend the money to beef up its internals and drop compression. Otherwise, get used to the fact that low-boost and modest HP gains are all it can handle.

:applaud:

Nuff Said.

 

Oh i know what you mean...Reliability is definatly an issue.I have enough prob with my car already.The eip kit does have an option with all forged internals.But didnt someone say that that was like 11000 installed...whew thats alota dough:AF:

 

i dunno, if i get the celica ill probally go with the supercharger cause of the problems ive heard about making a reliable turbo and handing traction with a sudden boost on the fwd setup and all that jazzy stuff, but then again what do i know....


thank you come again
-Flip