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2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT
The Comparo We've Waited 35 Years to Write. And The Feud We've Waited 35 Years to Watch.

Frankly, we thought we'd never see the tire smoke from the ponycar wars again.

In third place, the Dodge Challenger R/T. Third of three, but hardly last. Astutely executed, fast, and sit-back comfortable, the Challenger is the pony you'd ride for a 50-state tour. On the downside, the orange bruiser simply can't carve with the precision of its rivals, and though it starts with a mid-pack base sticker ($30,945), adding the good stuff (six-speed manual, 3.92 rear axle, limited-slip diff, 20-in. wheels and tires, etc.) pushed the price of our tester to a trio-topping $38,270.

Finishing in second place . . . the Ford Mustang GT. Mind you, this was a photo-finish. The Mustang with Track Pack blew us all away with its sublime steering, incredible front-end grip, stylish cockpit, and beauteous V-8. The Mustang scores well on value, too: base price for the GT is $28,845, and with Premium package, Track Pack, security package, and the comfort group, our test car totaled $34,330. The Ford might even have scored an upset, except it cannot match the Camaro's unfailing poise, its breathtaking power, or its styling drama. Those quality issues sure didn't help, either.

And so . . . our winner, the Prime Pony of the 21st Century is . . . the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS. Considering all the ways GM could easily have got this car wrong, it's nothing short of a triumph how unquestionably the company got it right. The Camaro might trail the Mustang in handling sharpness, and there's no doubt it finishes last for cabin and trunk volume, but, well, you don't pick your pony for the size of its saddlebags. Graced with massive power, excellent efficiency, unfailing refinement, and show-stopping looks, the Camaro SS nails every essential for its segment. What's more, it's priced to steal. Base sticker for the 1SS manual: just $30,995.

So there you have it: Chevrolet claims the ponycar title, circa 2009.



That's exactly how I'd rank them.
 

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2010 Chevy Camaro SS vs. 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T vs. 2010 Ford Mustang GT
Finding the Ultimate Modern Muscle Car

3rd Place: 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T

The Challenger wins hearts, not races. You can consider its highest-in-test sticker price as an investment in the kind of escapism you can't find anywhere else.

2nd Place: 2010 Ford Mustang GT
Chevy and Dodge owe Ford a debt of gratitude. Were it not for the Blue Oval's willingness to take a risk on the retro-heavy 2005 Mustang, they might never have known whether the market for throwback pony cars was big enough to justify entering the fray.

1st Place: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
At 13.0 seconds at 110.9 mph, the Camaro SS is far and away the fleetest, smacking down the quarter-mile a half-second quicker than the next-quickest Mustang and nearly a full second quicker than the Challenger.

Yes, this Camaro handles. You can throw it into a corner and not worry about the front end washing away like in the Challenger. There's surprising agility on tap for a 3,857-pound car. As your entry speeds increase, it leaves you wanting for a bit more steering feel, but the poise with which it takes to corners is eye-opening. At 68.6 mph, it pips the Mustang's slalom speed despite having a bit less grip and packing hundreds more pounds. That, friends, is talent.

But there can only be one winner, and the Camaro SS is clearly that. No longer does it have to apologize for its performance with a bang-for-the-buck cop-out — though it handily snatches that crown, too. It packs a talented chassis, performance and, yes, attitude at a price within the reach of working-class stiffs.

There's little more to be said than the Camaro is back. In a big way. And SS once again truly means Super Sport.


Another win for the Camaro.
 

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the Camaro is too god damned big. I'd take the more agile Mustang and stick a blower on there - actually I'd wait until the 'Stang gets a 5.0 liter, 5.4 liter, or the new twin turbo V6.

I haven't driven the 2010 stang but the handling figures for it are astonishing - its a pony car pulling figures like sports cars.
 

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Comparison Test Drive: Muscle Car Competition
2010 Camaro SS vs 2010 Ford Mustang GT vs 2009 Dodge Challenger R/T

It's been five long model years since Ford introduced the retro-cool 2005 Mustang and kicked off the second coming of the musclecar wars. Dodge answered with the 2008 Challenger and now, the 2010 Camaro is in production and generating a massive buzz. Three historic icons of American performance–finally–in the metal and on the street. So we decided to get them together for a first round, rubber roasting, musclecar throwdown.

The Bottom Line
So was the Camaro worth the wait? Yes. The newest pony car delivers an undeniable mix of performance and value. It's the quickest and likely has the highest handling limits of the three coupes. The Mustang is the rough and tumble sports car. It's the most involving car to drive–it feels more organic than the other two. The Challenger R/T provides more comfort and practicality at the expense of all-out performance. Yet, to our eye, the Dodge just may be the best looking of the group. But these are musclecars. And the Camaro's mix of power, poise and refinement just edges out the others–this time.


Score another win for the Camaro.
 

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Comparison Test: 2010 Camaro SS vs. 2009 Challenger SRT8 vs. 2010 Shelby GT500
Finding Finesse in Muscle

3rd Place: 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8

So it turns out that even in SRT8 guise the Challenger still hasn't morphed into a racetrack refugee. Even so, the 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 is the most faithful re-creation of a 1960s muscle car yet devised in modern times, adding modern polish to the best bits of the past. It's just careful not to stray too far from the original formula.

2nd Place: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
There's a lot to love about the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS. With the lowest as-tested price here, the Chevy's formidable performance and civilized chassis make it a tremendous value, and it put up a heck of a fight against the much more expensive GT500. Its platform has obvious potential for keener variants in the future. When that happens, the balance could once again tip in the Chevy's favor.

1st Place: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500
The GT500's trump card is in its linearity. While the Camaro goes wayward beyond seven-tenths and the Challenger's talents are drizzled with apathy, the Shelby remains precise all the way up to — and past — the limit of the tires' adhesion. That it's sized right and you can actually see out of the thing only makes it easier to exploit its abilities. For a car of its mass, the GT500's control feel is astonishing and cements the conclusion that the GT500 is the most engaging car in our test.
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2010 Ford Shelby GT500 vs. 2010 Hennessey Performance HPE550 Camaro
Brute Supercharged Force Meets Brute Supercharged Force

Wearing Yenko drag and lowered over its 20-inch wheels, the 2010 Hennessey Performance HPE550 Camaro is both more dramatic and more sinister-looking. It attracts attention the way tall bridges attract suicide attempts. But at $62,500 through the doors of Hennessey Performance in Houston, it's dang expensive. And as intoxicatingly explosive as its performance is, the regular Camaro SS would be easier to live with.

So it's the GT500 that gets the love here, even though the HPE550's thrust has a grip on our gonads. Brute force, it seems, is best when served in a more civilized container.
I like the Camaro more.
 

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Who the hell would pay $63k for a damn Camaro?
 

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2010 Lingenfelter Chevrolet Camaro SS vs. 2010 Roush Ford Mustang Stage 3 - Comparison Tests
Pony Excess: The Lingenfelter Camaro SS meets the Roush Mustang Stage 3.

The recent arrivals of a resurrected Camaro and a new Mustang have stoked this group’s desire for more tire-obliterating thrust.

Lingenfelter Performance Engineering (LPE) exists to satisfy such primal cravings. LPE has built a Camaro SS with its $10,995 TVS2300 kit, essentially a Magnuson/Eaton supercharger with high-flow fuel injectors, a cold-air induction system, a voltage-boosted fuel pump, and a recalibrated engine-management system. Though the engine is internally unchanged, the system’s 9 psi of boost is good for 570 horsepower.

To put those extra 144 horses to the pavement, the LPE car gets a host of other upgrades, including 20-inch wheels shod with Nitto NT05 tires ($4415), a 3.70 rear axle with heavy-duty half-shafts ($3484), a dual-disc clutch from a ZR1 Corvette ($1860), and a stiffer Hotchkis suspension ($1710). Add to that a Corsa exhaust ($1750), big Brembo brakes ($7940), and various lesser upgrades, and the mods ($34,539) just about double the Camaro SS’s sticker price ($35,125) for a total of $69,664.

The Roush Mustang Stage 3 doesn’t bite into your wallet quite as hard, coming in at $61,255, which amounts to $28,510 of Roush Performance upgrades and the $31,845 price of a specific Roush-ordered Mustang GT. This lower price isn’t due to less content. In fact, the Roush engine has been reworked more extensively than the LPE V-8 because in order to achieve similar power (540 horses) from its much smaller V-8 (4.6 liters), its supercharger must blow harder—up to 15 psi. To ensure that the more highly pressurized engine doesn’t bust its gut, it gets lower-compression forged pistons, forged connecting rods, and a forged crank. The Roush Stage 3 also gets the expected upgrades to its clutch, suspension, exhaust system, and wheel-and-tire package, though only the front brakes are bigger.

2010 Lingenfelter Chevrolet Camaro SS

Highs: Instant, massive yet controllable thrust is smoothly integrated into the upgraded Camaro. Great brakes.

Lows: The suspension doesn’t like fast going on rough roads.

The Verdict: We would never have believed that a Camaro capable of 120 mph in the quarter could feel so civilized.

2010 Roush Ford Mustang Stage 3

Highs: Refined suspension, great looks, intoxicating exhaust note matched by a powerful engine.

Lows: Touchy clutch makes smooth launches difficult; tight, high-effort shifter seems a throwback to yesteryear.

The Verdict: A striking Mustang that oozes charisma.



Again, the I find the Camaro more appealing.
 

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i find it scary how often im agreeing with marc...

after the revamps and polishing of this latest body style, for looks alone, id pick the mustang over the rest. the others just dont do it at all for me. mustang seems to have the athletecism to back itself up too from what it sounds. mustang for me, please.
 

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Shootout: 1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 vs 1993 Ford Mustang Cobra
A Tire-Smoking, Corner-Sliding, Top-Speed War

So, in the final analysis, which car is best? The Z28 wins in acceleration, top speed, braking, and handling. The Cobra scores highest in passenger comfort and utility, and has improved its grip with the new 17-inch tires. Both return excellent fuel economy numbers for performance machines. With a base price of $17,195 and an as-tested tally of $19,812, a loaded Z28 about equals what it'll cost to get into a base Mustang Cobra ($19,550). Keep in mind, though, the Cobra includes air conditioning and power equipment as standard. Benefits for Camaro buyers include dual airbags, the six-speed, standard ABS, and the fabulous LTI engine.

No envelope needed -- we have our winner. The Camaro Z28 is lord and master of the '93 pony-car arena.










It's hard for me to decide which interior I hate more.
 

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Fords interior is far worse.

I would rather have the 5.0 over the LT1 though.
 

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Both of those cars turned out to be such huge piles of ****. I challenge anyone on here to find one that isn't falling apart (and if its not falling apart, I guarantee its been reassembled, and will be falling apart again shortly).
 

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Both of those cars turned out to be such huge piles of ****. I challenge anyone on here to find one that isn't falling apart (and if its not falling apart, I guarantee its been reassembled, and will be falling apart again shortly).
What would you consider falling apart? I haven't had to do any major repairs to mine. 140,xxx miles and still going strong with basic bolt-ons.
 

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Update!

IL Track Tested: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 vs. 2011 Ford Mustang V6
2010 Chevrolet Camaro LT

Test Results:

0 - 30 (sec): 2.5
0 - 45 (sec): 4.1
0 - 60 (sec): 6.1
0 - 75 (sec): 9.0
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.3 @ 98.0
0 - 60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.7
30 - 0 (ft): 28
60 - 0 (ft): 111.78
Braking Rating: Good
Slalom (mph): 68.2
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.86
Handling Rating: Very good
Db @ Idle: 42.5
Db @ Full Throttle: 82.6
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 70.8

Acceleration Comments: There's good speed here, but the V6 doesn't do anything to satisfy from a sound or feel perspective. Shifts are met with an unpleasant wind-up in the powertrain. Shifter is high in effort and somewhat notchy, but finds gears without a fight.

Braking Comments: Very good stopping distance, but pedal feel is lacking. Hard to determine if ABS is active with a pedal this soft. Not confidence-inspiring at the limit.

Handling Comments: Largely the same less-than-inspiring feel of the V8 Camaro. Front tires wash out with little feel or feedback on the skid pad, and despite decent numbers, the V6 Camaro isn't terribly satisfying in these tests either. Again, it feels as if this chassis is constantly trying to manage a huge wheel and tire combo. Nothing here is truly bad, but it's also not truly rewarding.

2011 Ford Mustang V6

Test Results:

0 - 30 (sec): 2.2
0 - 45 (sec): 3.8
0 - 60 (sec): 5.6
0 - 75 (sec): 8.1
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 13.9 @ 101.2
0 - 60 with 1-ft Rollout (sec): 5.3
30 - 0 (ft): 26
60 - 0 (ft): 103
Braking Rating: Excellent
Slalom (mph): 68.6
Skid Pad Lateral Acceleration (g): 0.91
Handling Rating: Very Good
Db @ Idle: 45
Db @ Full Throttle: 82.4
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 71.8

Acceleration Coments: Holy crap, this is a hard-running V6, more than enough power to overwhelm its tires leaving the line. Managing wheelspin is key in this car to get good acceleration times. Also gets good rubber on the 2-3 shift. Tranny doesn't like to rush that shift, however. We missed 3rd gear several times. Otherwise, though, this is a powerful, free-revving, nice-sounding V6.

Braking Comments: 103 feet? From a Mustang? Wow. Pedal feel isn't anything special, but there's no sign of fade and the short distance is outstanding.

Handling Comments: Truly impressive manners from a live-axle car. Balance is good as is typical with recent Mustangs, but there's more than that. There's a true sense of what's happening at the wheels with this Mustang, which provides ample driver confidence. And it's better than the independently sprung Camaro in both tests. Ford is doing something right.


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Another win for the Mustang.
 

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Comparison: 2011 Mustang V-6 vs 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs 2010 Camaro RS vs 2010 Challenger SE
Hustlecars: Sans V-8 engines, These Pony Cars are Light on Muscle but Heavy on Hustle

4th place: Dodge Challenger SE

A yacht trying to keep up with speedboats, but the ride and style are smooth.

3rd place: Chevrolet Camaro RS
A quick coupe whose weight sacrifices fun and cartoonish cabin compromises comfort.

2nd place: Ford Mustang V-6
New 3.7 is nearly as quick as last year's 4.6-liter V-8, and more fun to drive, too.

1st place: Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Track
The only one that looks and feels like a sports car. Surprise, we liked it best.


Hell just froze over.
 
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