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Really good read that I wanted to share with you guys.

From: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,400045,00.html

Family Feud

By MATTHEW FORNEY/BEIJING

Sunday, Dec. 15, 2002
When he named North Korea as a member of his infamous "axis of evil," U.S. President George W. Bush could not have anticipated just how far the Stalinist state would go to earn the label. While Bush's foreign policy team tries to stay focused on stripping Iraq of any weapons of mass destruction it may possess, the North's leader Kim Jong Il seems bent on demonstrating that his own regime is just as menacing. At least Saddam Hussein claims to harbor no biological, chemical or nuclear arms. Kim freely admits to developing nuclear weapons in violation of international accords. And last week, in an apparent reaction to the high-seas interdiction of a shipment of North Korean-built Scud missiles bound for Yemen, the North announced it would restart a mothballed nuclear reactor that could produce enough weapons-grade plutonium for at least one atomic bomb a year.

Kim's characteristically belligerent behavior has heightened security tensions in North Asia and lent fresh urgency to the question of how to reign him in. Iraq-obsessed U.S. diplomats, who would prefer Kim wait his turn as global bad guy, have chosen to cut off dialogue with North Korea, as well as 500,000 tons of heavy oil provided yearly under a 1994 accord. But the hard-line stance favored by Washington is worrisome to Japan and South Korea, who are within striking distance of North Korean missiles and artillery and fear Kim might act rashly if backed into a corner.

Increasingly, it is the country with the closest ties to North Korea that could play a key role in dissuading Kim from his nuclear brinkmanship: China. A budding superpower with a seat on the U.N. Security Council, China shares a border with North Korea and has a long history of propping up the country's bankrupt regime. In 1950, Chinese troops poured across the Yalu River and fought the U.S. to a stalemate, ending the Korean War and rescuing Kim's father, Kim Il Sung, founder of North Korea, from defeat. Today the mainland is North Korea's biggest benefactor, providing an estimated 40% of immediate food needs and 90% of its oil, according to the Heritage Foundation, a Washington D.C.-based research institute. Beijing has usually backed the North on the diplomatic front, too. But today there are signs that China is fed up with the dangerous antics of its communist little brother and may be willing to play a more constructive role. Said U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who met with Chinese leaders in Beijing last week: "I'm sure the Chinese will be urging some different behavior [by] the North Koreans."

The details of Armitage's meeting aren't known, but there are plenty of other signs that China's patience is running thin. In October, when North Korea disclosed that it was pursuing nuclear weapons development, China's Vice Foreign Minister Wang Yi presented a stern position paper to the all-powerful Politburo. In the past, such memorandums have cast North Korean behavior as reasonable. This time, however, Wang introduced the damning phrase "diplomatic adventurism" to describe Pyongyang's tactics, according to a Chinese policymaker familiar with the contents.

The wording shows that China is growing antsy about Kim's efforts to coerce the U.S. back to the negotiating table by rattling sabers. Kim wants a new dialogue, in part to get oil shipments and other aid
 

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Interesting.

Looks like a powerful uncle is trying to reign in their rogue nephew.

As an aside, but regionally related:

Japan's Support of Iraq War Helps Redefine Regional Role
Summary

Japan's prime minister and foreign minister are contacting the six undecided members of the United Nations Security Council March 10 to encourage them to vote for the new U.S.-U.K. resolution on Iraq. Tokyo, like London and Canberra, has come out in support of the war against Iraq despite domestic public opposition. For Japan, stepping in to support Washington at this time is a strategic gamble carefully calculated to gain the most long-term benefits.

Analysis

Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and Foreign Minister Yoriko Kawaguchi planned March 10 to contact six members of the United Nations Security Council who were still undeclared in their intentions toward the new U.S.-U.K.-backed resolution on Iraq. Koizumi was scheduled to contact the leaders of Chile, Mexico and Pakistan, while Kawaguchi would call her counterparts in Angola, Cameroon and Guinea, Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said, speaking to reporters.

The Japanese government, like those of Britain and Australia, has come out in support of the new resolution, and of the planned war in Iraq despite domestic opposition. For Tokyo, the war offers justification for changes in Japan's longstanding pacifist defense policies, something Koizumi strongly wants to see altered. But Japan also is looking at other long-term strategic issues, from energy security to its position as a key ally of the United States to its future role in East Asia.
 

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Hmmm... This is a new direction for the Japanese. Frankly, I'm a little bit worried that this may be the start of another expansionist drive.

Undoubtedly, Japan's reliance on foreign resources is playing a role in their gov'ts support of this conflict.
 

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Japan shall get nuked by N. Korea if things get hot...
 

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QUICKLY followed by nuclear strikes by none other than China and Russia...
 

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China could HURT the US, but I doubt that they could make us "beg for our life", as you put it. If anything, both nations could make the other's POPULACE beg for their lives. Only(?) in a land engagement could China press home her advantage at the moment. Combined with DIRECT & OPEN assistance from Russia, however...
 

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Likewise, comrade. Likewise...
 

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TakumaSato said:
China has nukes too! and besides in a man to man combat Chinese guys outnumber the americans...

dont **** with us ....!
You are missing one of the fundamental restraints on China pal, you have no sustainable blue water navy yet. Therefore your actual soldier count is largely irrelevant unless we are fighting on the Asian continent.
 

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Celica NZ said:


You are missing one of the fundamental restraints on China pal, you have no sustainable blue water navy yet. Therefore your actual soldier count is largely irrelevant unless we are fighting on the Asian continent.
Kinda. Look to Central and South America -- particularly Panama and Haiti for large numbers of suspected Chinese militia/military. It would also be a very easy thing to forward deploy into Canada with their wide-open immigration and illegal entry on their Western borders. They could make things very interesting for a time or two...
 

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However, what with gun laws and such in Canada, it's unlikely that the Chinese population could pose much of a threat if (Heaven forbid) China declares war on the U.S.
 

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I think a more realistic scenario is the US being brought into an Asian conflict and fighting a conventional war in Asia (by conventional i don't mean to rule out the use of nukes; tactical or strategic), while there may be some limited "guerilla" warefare in the US. Strikes at strategic points.

Plus cyber attacks.
 

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Celica NZ said:
I think a more realistic scenario is the US being brought into an Asian conflict and fighting a conventional war in Asia (by conventional i don't mean to rule out the use of nukes; tactical or strategic), while there may be some limited "guerilla" warefare in the US. Strikes at strategic points.

Plus cyber attacks.
Hmmm... perhaps that's why there's so many Asians enrolling at computer sciences at my univ....
 

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QUICKLY followed by nuclear strikes by none other than China and Russia...
Where?


And I don't understand you guys visions of a big conflict. How in hell could it stay "conventional"? When one side would be close from defeat you could be sure it would use its nukes.... If not first to have a better chance to win.
 

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the usa would win cause we have the best weapons out there. whos gonna fight man to man anymore...bah!
 
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