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Comparison: Entry-Level Fullsize Luxury Sedans
Helping Trickle-Downers Make Difficult Choices

7th place: Hyundai Equus
A LIMOUSINE PRICED TO COVER THE CHAUFFEUR'S SALARY

6th Place: Mercedes-Benz S400 Hybrid
MAY THE BEST CAR FINISH 6TH?

5th Place: Jaguar XJL
SENSORY OVERLORD

4th Place: Lexus LS 460
LEXUS LUTHOR

3rd Place: Audi A8
BUM STEER

2nd Place: Porsche Panamera
FLY PAN-AM

1st Place: BMW 740i
RELUCTANT CONQUEROR


I agree with their rankings. I think it's fair.
 

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Comparison: Entry-Level Fullsize Luxury Sedans

CAR-ACTERISTICS
Pros and Cons

AUDI

* J.D.Power ranks Audi below Jaguar in 3-yr dependability
* LEDs: great for lights, crummy for fuel gauge
* Front seats offer myriad adjustments, but only through MMI

BMW

* No shift paddles?!
* Only tester with run-flat tires; ride, handling don't suffer
* Sport pkg buys "M" badges, but 500-hp Alpina B7 is nearest to an M7 offered

HYUNDAI

* iPad owner's manual!
* Guzzler of group, lowest mpg & range
* Best lane-departure warning: defaults off, beeps when on a line
* Rear recliners straighten up when door opens

JAGUAR

* Quality rep doesn't mar resale value, which ties top Lexus'
* Dash shows who's buckled up when doors close
* Only one with rear heated, cooled seats

LEXUS

* Most comfortable center rear seat
* Self-closing rear doors (also on BMW, Benz)
* Finally: Japan adopts 3-flash-to-pass!
* Only car with full-size alloy spare wheel/tire

MERCEDES

* Most space-efficient: largest inside, 3rd largest outside
* 7-speed tranny has narrower ratio span than the 6-speeds (6.00 vs. 6.04), but tallest gearing overall

PORSCHE

* Porsche tops entire industry in J.D.Power IQS/VDS rankings
* Least space-efficient: worst interior-to-exterior volume ratio
* Trip computer won't divulge fuel economy
HOW THEY RANKED
PERFORMANCE*
1. Porsche 77
2. Audi 75
3. Jaguar 69
4. BMW 66
5. Lexus 59
6. Hyundai 56
7. Mercedes-Benz 48
*Compilation of acceleration/braking/handling performance

LEASE RESIDUAL VALUE/MONTHLY PAYMENT*
1. Lexus 52%/$1557
2. Jaguar 52%/$1649
3. Hyundai 51%/$1172
4. BMW 48%/$1719
5. Audi 45%/$1904
6. Porsche 44%/$1976
7. Mercedes-Benz 40%/$2016
*ALG 36-month, 10%, $0-down lease

JDPOWER QUALITY: IQS VDS*
1. Porsche 83 110
2. Lexus 88 115
3. Mercedes-Benz 87 142
4. Hyundai 102 148
5. BMW 113 165
6. Audi 111 182
7. Jaguar 130 175
*Problems per 100 vehicles across entire brand: Initial Quality Survey (90 days) and Vehicle Dependability Survey (3 years). Underscore indicates industry average (109/155)

COMFORT
1. Lexus
2. Mercedes
3. Hyundai
4. Audi
5. Jag
6. BMW
7. Porsche

TECH-GEEK GADGETRY
1. Audi (LED headlights, Drive Select, handwriting input)
2. Hyundai (Lane-Departure, radar cruise control)
3. Porsche (highly customizable cockpit displays, PDK, auto-stop)
4. BMW (active anti-roll bars, iDrive customizability)
5. Mercedes (Hybrid drive, auto-stop)
6. Lexus (self-parking feature)
7. Jaguar

SOUND SYSTEM QUALITY
1. Lexus Mark Levinson
2. Jaguar Bowers & Wilkins
3. Hyundai Lexicon
4. BMW base (unbranded)
5. Porsche Bose Surround
6. Audi base (Bose)
7. Mercedes-Benz base (harman/kardon)

LABEL SNOBBERY
1. Porsche
2. Mercedes-Benz
3. BMW
4. Jag
5. Audi
6. Lexus
7. Hyundai
 

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The BMW is probably the only one that didnt put them to sleep when driving it....
 

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Had to figure Hyundai didn't stand a chance in the label snobbery portion hah.

My list would have been (not that I've driven many of these...):

1. Audi
2. BMW
3. Lexus
4. Jag
5. Porsche
6. Hyundai
7. Mercedes-Benz
 

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You know deep down you still have an urge to autox a 760.
I have no desire to autox anything weighing more than 3000 lbs.

It would literally be the least fun possible autocrossing a giant luxobarge full of all those electrohandling nannies.

NOW - taking a fully built Crown Vic to a high speed track, that would be something else.
 
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