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What a car! Now I'm an import guy, Euro over Japan, but the Mustang Mach1 is one helluva vehicle. I was taking Interior Sound data for some powetrain sound quality studies and does this vehicle sound utterly fantastic! It's bloody quick, too. The Tech Specialist who was riding with me was from Taiwan and he's not really "into" powerful cars, so he really wasn't too impressed. He was in the cramped back seats earlier in the day when I was taking data and he found it too loud [it is when you're in the back seat]. So we deinstrumented it and took it out for a "familiarization" drive [that would be a boondogle]. He drove and he doesn't drive manuals very well at all so he's struggling to put power down. After 15 minutes he says, " I don't see all the fuss about the power. It's not that quick, but it sounds GREAT! I wouldn't want one in traffic this is tough." I stop him and ask him to pull over.
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When he's buckled in I rev it to 3,000 rpm crank the wheel to the left and drop the clutch. The car erupts in a cloud of smoke [it's kinda damp] and we're off in the other direction and I power shift into second and I light them up again as I blast thru an intersection. As I apply the brakes for a traffic light I heel and toe thru the gearbox [perfect pedal placement and minimal shifter throws -- no balkiness] and I catch the light and around the right hand corner we go... and it plows [it's wet] so I dig into the right pedal and the rear is now trying to catch the front. I was fully expecting this so I was already adding some lock to the wheel. He was ashen in the face and wide-eyed. :chuckles:

After I began to drive like I had some sense he nervously said, "Oh..." :chuckles:

When I parked the car back into our building's garage he was a changed man exclaiming how "great" a driver I was, and how phenomenal the car was and how great it sounded. Well two out of three aint bad! :p

Actually, the car needs to be just a tad stiffer in the rear and a set of Recaro seats. And that's it. Was it Car & Driver who stated earlier this year that they preferred the Mach1 to the S2000 and Nissan 350Z? I believe them because I sure as Hell do.
 

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Wish I could get a Mach 1 :bowdown:
 

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It is a sweet car. I prefer the clean lines of my Bullitt better, but it does have the power! Also, the sound of the exhaust on the Bullitt is more "tuned" to the car, slightly louder (without being anoying) and the suspensions is firmer and more tight in launch and in the corners. Also the torque curve on the Bullitt is smoother, having more low end torque and essentially the same top end torque. The area where the Mach1 excels is in the top end power though, It will eat my car alive when both are stock. But, who leaves there cars stock? The Bullitt is an easyer car to upgrade to higher power, given the lower compression ratio. Also, the Mach1 isn't all that blower friendly, due to high compression and the Shaker (which I think is ugly). The seats in the Bullitt are also more firm and tight, I prefer them over racing seats, both on the track and on the street.


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hate to break this to you dude, but the bullitt uses the exact same suspension as the Mach 1 ;)

same spring rates, shocks, struts, even subframes.

the motor contest isn't even one, the 4.6 dohc has loads of potential over the sohc. and the Mach1 is blower friendly. The seats in the two cars are near identical except for the leather stitching..your Bullitt uses a different pattern than the "comfort-weave" of the Mach1.

same pedals are used, same shifter, same everything cept motor basically...and the Mach1 comes with 3.55's to your 3.27's to help make it have more low end "grunt". also, the dohc in the Mach1 puts out higher peak torque, and has a broader power band than your sohc does.

all things being equal, you bought the specialty v8 from Ford a year early..unless you're a Steve McQueen fan.
 

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BTW i'm impressed that you liked the Mach1 Chui. I remember you liking the Bullitt as well, but not to this level I don't believe.

See how easy it is to make the chasis feel decent? ;) it's all in the springs and shocks that come on the stocker v6 and gt that make them so crappy feeling stock..
 

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SlasherX said:
hate to break this to you dude, but the bullitt uses the exact same suspension as the Mach 1 ;)

same spring rates, shocks, struts, even subframes.

the motor contest isn't even one, the 4.6 dohc has loads of potential over the sohc. and the Mach1 is blower friendly. The seats in the two cars are near identical except for the leather stitching..your Bullitt uses a different pattern than the "comfort-weave" of the Mach1.

same pedals are used, same shifter, same everything cept motor basically...and the Mach1 comes with 3.55's to your 3.27's to help make it have more low end "grunt". also, the dohc in the Mach1 puts out higher peak torque, and has a broader power band than your sohc does.

all things being equal, you bought the specialty v8 from Ford a year early..unless you're a Steve McQueen fan.
Well, you are right that the Mach1 uses the same suspension as the Bullitt, but the ride height on the Mach1 is higher. The Bullitt sits 3/4 of an inch lower than the Mach, the mach1 is lowered 1/2 an inch. Also, the reason the Mach1 wont handle as good as the Bullitt is because of the weight difference. The Mach1 is quite a bit heavier. Go ask any of the guys over on Mach1Registry.com.

The dohc engine does have more potential over the sohc engine, but not with the shaker and the high compression ratio. Again go to the mach1 forum and read up before you post **** you don't know about. To be able to install a roots blower on the Mach, compression would have to be lowered and the shaker removed, new hood installed, etc. Not that easy sounding to me... Then for a centrifugal supercharger. The same problem exist for the compression, not to blower friendly and plus there isn't a blower desinged for the Mach1 shaker system, yet... Much work would have to be done to forge the engine up to get it to higher boost. Pure fact, again go research...

The seets in no way compare, I have closely examined and researched both. The stuffing of the Mach1 seats is slightly different; wider bolsters (which do not hold you in the seat as well). Then we come to the leather pattern. The Bullitt uses perferated leather, which provide comfort extremely well. The Mach1's "comfort weave" is a joke. It is a cheap plastic vinyl. Go check it out for youself sometime. It in no way compares to the Bullitts seats, I would take the stock GT's seats over the Mach's.

The power curve of the Mach1 has a clear advantage in peak hp, but torque is about equal. The Bullitts is actually smoother and peaks earlyer. This is do to the dohc vs. sohc. The sohc always has more lower end torque, given similar power. Just look at the 99 and 01 Cobras, the Bullitt had clearly more torque up to 4000rpm. This is a given fact. Go read some dynoes for the two vehicles, I think you will be surprised. Not trying to flame you or anything, but just make sure you know your info before you post. This is my area of expertise, I research it every chance I get. Go read forums, see actually dynoes and try and compares both cars, not as Motor Trend rates them,, but as the cars actually stack up.

~Colby
 

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Well, you are right that the Mach1 uses the same suspension as the Bullitt, but the ride height on the Mach1 is higher. The Bullitt sits 3/4 of an inch lower than the Mach, the mach1 is lowered 1/2 an inch. Also, the reason the Mach1 wont handle as good as the Bullitt is because of the weight difference. The Mach1 is quite a bit heavier. Go ask any of the guys over on Mach1Registry.com.

The dohc engine does have more potential over the sohc engine, but not with the shaker and the high compression ratio. Again go to the mach1 forum and read up before you post **** you don't know about. To be able to install a roots blower on the Mach, compression would have to be lowered and the shaker removed, new hood installed, etc. Not that easy sounding to me... Then for a centrifugal supercharger. The same problem exist for the compression, not to blower friendly and plus there isn't a blower desinged for the Mach1 shaker system, yet... Much work would have to be done to forge the engine up to get it to higher boost. Pure fact, again go research...

The seets in no way compare, I have closely examined and researched both. The stuffing of the Mach1 seats is slightly different; wider bolsters (which do not hold you in the seat as well). Then we come to the leather pattern. The Bullitt uses perferated leather, which provide comfort extremely well. The Mach1's "comfort weave" is a joke. It is a cheap plastic vinyl. Go check it out for youself sometime. It in no way compares to the Bullitts seats, I would take the stock GT's seats over the Mach's.

The power curve of the Mach1 has a clear advantage in peak hp, but torque is about equal. The Bullitts is actually smoother and peaks earlyer. This is do to the dohc vs. sohc. The sohc always has more lower end torque, given similar power. Just look at the 99 and 01 Cobras, the Bullitt had clearly more torque up to 4000rpm. This is a given fact. Go read some dynoes for the two vehicles, I think you will be surprised. Not trying to flame you or anything, but just make sure you know your info before you post. This is my area of expertise, I research it every chance I get. Go read forums, see actually dynoes and try and compares both cars, not as Motor Trend rates them,, but as the cars actually stack up.

~Colby
thanks for not being a total tool in correcting my info.

last i had heard was the car utilized the 600lbs front springs up front from the Bullitt, so I assumed naturally that the lowering height would be identical.

the DOHC engine has always had high compression, but you can still boost it just fine. Imports have boosted high CR for awhile now, mostly on weaker blocks than the 4.6 DOHC, and if you ran a low flowing unit on the Mach, it should be fine. To run a roots blower, I would definitely remove the whole shaker system and convert the upper intake manifold over to the 03 Cobra, since they use the same heads.
With a forged crank, like the previous Cobra's, the Mach1's bottom end should hold a decent amount of power..obviously the hyperpueritic pistons come into play, but when haven't they.

Torque is the area where the Sohc will have an advantage due to the lower flowing nature of the stock heads, and the cam. Ford is also known for the small exhaust ports they use on their heads to help with the torque curve...which the 99+ GT heads use..I believe they're still D shaped, or is that the 96-98 style.

Seat wise, I was fooled by ford into thinking those Mach1's were leather...woops. I'd rip any Stang seat out in favor of REcaro's or Corbeau's anyway, although the 03 Cobra seats are easily Ford's best.

I've read enough dynoes to not be told to go read more. You're talking to a stang owner, despite the Talon in my sig.

I know the Bullitt benefitted from underdriven pullies, a lower restriction exhaust, and the upper intake manifold redesign. I also know they put out close to 240rwhp stock and run in the mid 13's vs. the high 13's of a normal GT. I also know their torque curve is flatter than that of the 4.6 Dohc, the GT motor always has had a flatter torque curve.

The Mach1 is still as close to a 96-98 Cobra in teh new body style as you can get, and considering the amount of time the car ahs been out, I'm not too worried about blower difficulties, its only a matter of time before the DOHC gets what it needs...forced induction.
 

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Indeed a sweet car. I got to sit in it when my friend was doing some testing on it too last year. The car was just sweet to listen to and honestly not a bad car to be driving. It's just fun taking a prototype out on the street and people wondering what in the world they just saw going by with all these red light inside the car.

My friends even brought them down to my school when they came to recruit last September.

Seeing the mach1 and the sc cobra next to eachother was awesome but I'd take the mach1 even if it is slower.
 

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thanks for not being a total tool in correcting my info.

last i had heard was the car utilized the 600lbs front springs up front from the Bullitt, so I assumed naturally that the lowering height would be identical.

the DOHC engine has always had high compression, but you can still boost it just fine. Imports have boosted high CR for awhile now, mostly on weaker blocks than the 4.6 DOHC, and if you ran a low flowing unit on the Mach, it should be fine. To run a roots blower, I would definitely remove the whole shaker system and convert the upper intake manifold over to the 03 Cobra, since they use the same heads.
With a forged crank, like the previous Cobra's, the Mach1's bottom end should hold a decent amount of power..obviously the hyperpueritic pistons come into play, but when haven't they.

Torque is the area where the Sohc will have an advantage due to the lower flowing nature of the stock heads, and the cam. Ford is also known for the small exhaust ports they use on their heads to help with the torque curve...which the 99+ GT heads use..I believe they're still D shaped, or is that the 96-98 style.

Seat wise, I was fooled by ford into thinking those Mach1's were leather...woops. I'd rip any Stang seat out in favor of REcaro's or Corbeau's anyway, although the 03 Cobra seats are easily Ford's best.

I've read enough dynoes to not be told to go read more. You're talking to a stang owner, despite the Talon in my sig.

I know the Bullitt benefitted from underdriven pullies, a lower restriction exhaust, and the upper intake manifold redesign. I also know they put out close to 240rwhp stock and run in the mid 13's vs. the high 13's of a normal GT. I also know their torque curve is flatter than that of the 4.6 Dohc, the GT motor always has had a flatter torque curve.

The Mach1 is still as close to a 96-98 Cobra in teh new body style as you can get, and considering the amount of time the car ahs been out, I'm not too worried about blower difficulties, its only a matter of time before the DOHC gets what it needs...forced induction.
Hey, no prob. Hopefully I didn't sound like a total jerk. Your info is correct, glad you know what you are talking about. I in no way was trying to say my car is faster, I know it is not. I was mainly trying to point out why I own the car I do. :)

One thing I find exetremely funny is the ET times Motor Trend rates the two cars at:

Mach1
1/4 Mile: 13.8/102.5
0-60: 5.3s

Bullitt
1/4 Mile: 14.1/97.9
0-60: 5.6s

Man, I crack up every time I read those. Yeah right! The Mach1 is easily able to run low 13's. I have seen them run 13.2-13.4 all day. The Bullitt has gone mid 13's stock, but mainly run around 13.6-13.8s on street tires. Just to funny. I would still take my Bullitt over the Mach1, given the overall looks (which are opinion) and the ease of F/I, due to the FRPP intake. I would still have both, if money weren't an issue. :)

Actually I would take the 03 Cobra over either. Man that hting is a beast! Got a friend that is up around 550rwhp with minor mods.

Thanks for the friendly reply,

~Colby
 

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thumbs up dude. good to have another decent stang owner on here. :)

and yes, those numbers are just downright ridiculous...it doesnt seem like any magazine driver these days knows how to properly launch a V8/RWD anymore.
 

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sorry, but to me mustangs are ungly! they need some serious redesign. And you can make a Gt look like you Bullit anytime...manyt people want even look at it too much because they want know is a different mustang. That's me...lets wait and see the new model coming 2005
 

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sorry, but to me mustangs are ungly! they need some serious redesign. And you can make a Gt look like you Bullit anytime...manyt people want even look at it too much because they want know is a different mustang. That's me...lets wait and see the new model coming 2005
And there is something super special about celicas? Please do tell, I am still trying to discover that myself. I do think they are cute little cars, something my ex-gf would have liked to drive. But for me, I need a little (ok, alot) more speed and power. Plus I need something with more muscle in the looks, not so much a chick car. But thats just me, to everyone his own. After all, the celica is a "cute" little car.

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Bullit...I don't think I heard anyone say anything about the Celica lookin' better. :nono:

NC.org is pretty hospitable to all forms of cars, but when we post our own rides...we must be prepared for criticism and even outward dislike because of the looks, type of car, or modifications presented, hopefully without getting upset and having to start stupid little flame wars.

Aris, I'd recommend a little more tact...it's not good to be an azzwipe to new people.
 
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