Thanks.evil eye said:Ask Kenny about this, he's very knowledgeable with paints.
Originally posted by slidr
I know PPG is better, but how much worse is Dupont if at all?
Wow, that's a lot of good info. Thanks.KEnny Heiser 3 said:From personal experience I think PPG sucks , Their Deltron line is very poor quality , and their Concept line is nothing special compared to Chroma Premeir . Dupont Chroma Premeir Is by far the best production paint system I have ever used . The base coats have great "Flop control" , and atomize very well . Not to mention they have a very fast flash time . The Clear is also far better than what PPG has to offer . I would recommend the 4500s or 7900s urethane clear , it is some really good high quality stuff . You won't be dissappointed , exspecially if you are used to PPG materials . The Chroma Premeir line costs a bit more than just the regular Dupont Chroma line ,but it is well worth it.
Only thing I like or use from PPG is their NCP primer,that stuff is some great primer . I worked with PPG materials for almost 2 years before we switched to Dupont & I am certifeid for both companys. So I have more than enuff experience with each. Dupont come's out on top in my opinion.
I'm not realy sure what you mean by "clear base" . In order to paint the fender this is what you will need as long as the fender is in primer and prepped ready for paint .Originally posted by slidr
I am using this paint to paint a fender. Should I still go with the clear base? What the difference between the clear base 4500 and 7900 urethane, and the Chroma Premeir?
I'm not sure what I mean exactly.KEnny Heiser 3 said:I'm not realy sure what you mean by "clear base" . In order to paint the fender this is what you will need as long as the fender is in primer and prepped ready for paint .
you will need a value shade sealer ,base coat (color of car) ,and clear coat . Your budget kinda depends what kind of materials you get for your sealer ,base ,and clear coat .
do you mean the clear is in the base color ??? that would be a single stage paint (the color dries shinny & glossy) . Both Dupont and PPG make single stage paint lines ,but your fender wont look right since the rest of he car has a base/clear coat paint job on it.
try to specify what you mean by "clear base ' a little better ???
Originally posted by slidr
Also, can I use the same paint that I am going to use for my fender for urethane side skirts? If not, then what do you recommend?
Also, my car is the stock silver color (1DO), so I should most likely use the Chroma Premeir since it has advanced flop control, right?
Originally posted by slidr
The guy who is painting the fender for me has the primer, catalyst, and clear coat. All he told me to get was the "color coat."
Is there anyting else I need to get?
1-It is completelly up to you and your budget,Chroma Premeir is Top of the line ,but VERY expensive .Duponts Regular Chroma line is a very good cost effective alternative .I like actually like Duponts regular Chroma line Better than PPG's Concept line .Originally posted by slidr
1. Should I go with the Chroma Premeir series of paint?
2. Should I get a value shade sealer (never heard of this before)?
3. Should I not even say clear base? Should I just get the base color matched?
what exactlly do you mean by goes to hell??? it chips easilly ,peeling ,fades,clear coat looks dull etc,etc,etc???Originally posted by Jesse IL
Kenny, I want to get some repainting done this spring on my car. I have had no big problems with the sides and everything, but the paint on the front end just goes to hell in no time. I'm gonna repaint spectra blue, but I want the best possible paint on the front end so that it has a prayer of holding up.
What would you recommend?
Glasurit is a sister company of BASF & R-M . It is used on pretty much every european car because of the VOC regulations in Europe .I have used both BASF & R-M line of paints .They are OK materials but their whole prep/paint system is a little confusing & azz backwards if you ask me. I have Not used the Glasurit system though ???Originally posted by DopeCelicaGT
Has anyone heard of Glassurit?
when you get it redone just make sure all the old paint that you are having problems with its completelly stripped and DA'ed off . You dont want none of that crap under the new materials . Then pay alittle more and get some good materials like I said . Alot of the paints durability is in the prep Job , but Good high quality materials are always a plus . Cheaper lesser quality base coats & clear coats have LESSER build,adhesion, durability,weather resistance , fading ,and shrinking propertys . It almost sounds like the clear coat was over reduced or something , A good quality clearcoat wont discolor with bug guts ? Not really sure what that guy means by "how you spray it " ? That has nothing to do with the quality of the paint . You can spray crap paint GOOD but its still crap paint ,if you spray it BAD its still Crap paint ????Originally posted by Jesse IL
I suspect the prep job. In fact I can say almost for certain that it is inferior. Of course I understand that rock chips happen, but they seem to accumulate very fast with whatever's on there. They chip to a white surface underneath...not sure if that's the factory primer or just just crap built up in the chip. Like I said, bugs literally get embedded in the paint. I've clayed the front end and still they don't come out. Basically there are permnent dull spots in the front end and hood from bug splatters. The surface is smooth, but the finish is discolored. The owner of the shop who has painted the car literally told me, "We use lower quality paint, but the quality of the paint isn't the most important factor, its how you spray it." My roommate's car is painted from teh same place, but he paid for their "show" finish, which is HOK paint and extra attention to prep (supposedly). Even on a fiberglass front end, his paint seems much more durable and does not suffer from the insect problems that my car does.
Also, what is the difference between the 4500s and 7900s clears?