E-Manage Ultimate vs. Power FC

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Exotic II

Discussion Starter · Oct 14, 2006

Trying to find out REAL WHP difference with the Greddy S/C using the Power FC. I would like some honest answers before I spend another 1000 for a ecu.
(could I get the same results adding a Camcon controler?)

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cool2miketlu

· #2 · Oct 14, 2006

Why don't you find out? Go to a dyno shootout of some sort, dyno your car with emanage first (bet you be suprised what the stock ECU did) and get base map. Then change all settings to 0 then borrow your PowerFC and drop it in and tune it.
If you do not test both management on same car you would not know what the power production difference actually is.

Curt705

· #3 · Oct 14, 2006

emanage sucks...power fc will make you more power

cool2miketlu

· #4 · Oct 14, 2006

^^see he does not want to hear that without a fact like actual experience or dyno sheet.

You only see people switch from emanage to PowerFC and not the other way around, so that should tell you something.

Jesse IL

· #5 · Oct 14, 2006

There's no data because I don't need a dyno to tell you the e-manage is a piece of crap. I wouldn't waste my time or money doing the comparison.

jlitman

· #6 · Oct 14, 2006

The PFC is much more versatile, so even if you couldn't extract more power, it is still a far better platform for tuning. That said, you can tune VVTL-i with a PFC but NOT with an emanage, and there is plenty of power to be made by tuning intake timing. As soon as Boosted makes a harness and base map for AT's, I'm selling off my emanage and camcon.

Monster Hui

· #7 · Oct 14, 2006

PFC is a full standalone ecu... comparing "power gain" to the piggy back EMU? I don't know what power gain would be different, but im sure you can unlock more power with a full stand alone than any other piggy back systems on our stock ECU... comparing the PFC to EMU is like comparing the emanage to a safc.

you can do A LOT more with the PFC, the stock ECU can only go so far with piggy back systems

Exotic II

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 15, 2006

It really sucks because I was not given an option when S/C kit was purchased. Oh well, time to start saving. :sadpace:

cool2miketlu

· #9 · Oct 15, 2006

you will never be given that option considering emanage and SC is made by GReddy, ofcourse they will package their stuff with it. The only kit that really give you any option is Blitz SC kit

elcelicagts

· #10 · Oct 15, 2006

greddy charge rules!!!!

Jesse IL

· #11 · Oct 15, 2006

elcelicagts said:
greddy charge rules!!!!

Figured since 140 GT got banned and milesplume totaled his car there's room at the top of the idiot hierarchy?

elcelicagts

· #12 · Oct 15, 2006

^ ha hah ha. just bored, and thought you might come here and say something like that against my post. lol.

bt216

· #13 · Oct 16, 2006

I told you before and I'll tell you again...PFC. btw you can get it for a lot less then 1000 now.

Exotic II

Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 17, 2006

Might keep the e-manage a little longer. I am woring on a design for a custom manifold for the greddy s/c to make intercooling possible. I looked at how the Blitz kit works & I got an idea. The people at the performance shop I help out at think the can fab it.

Jesse IL

· #15 · Oct 17, 2006

elcelicagts said:
^ ha hah ha. just bored, and thought you might come here and say something like that against my post. lol.

Glad to see posting spam helps your boredom.

elcelicagts said:
greddy charge rules!!!!

So does O'Doyle!!!

Gravel

· #16 · Oct 18, 2006

Jesse IL said:
There's no data because I don't need a dyno to tell you the e-manage is a piece of crap. I wouldn't waste my time or money doing the comparison.

Do Apexi run a 'publicly slag off an eManage and get a $10 rebate per slagging' scheme?

I'm just waiting for the 'I had an eManage and it ate my hamster' posts

Yes, a PowerFC is more capable than an eManage Ult, but it is also a lot more complicated to tune. Oh, and a Hydra will blow you and cook you breakfast before driving you to work in the morning, or so they say...

Gravel

· #17 · Oct 18, 2006

Exotic II said:
Might keep the e-manage a little longer. I am woring on a design for a custom manifold for the greddy s/c to make intercooling possible. I looked at how the Blitz kit works & I got an idea. The people at the performance shop I help out at think the can fab it.

Seeing as The Ronin has already made one, it's clearly possible if you can make it fit under the hood. The eManage won't give you ultimate power, but then again, neither will a roots blower...

Boosted2.0

· #18 · Oct 19, 2006

I still maintain that an e-manage on a FI car is sheer stupidity - the VVTi profiles in the stock ECU alow you to blow a good bit of your intake charge right back out the exhaust, and theers no way to change it. Plus theres no way to make fueling changes stick out of closed loop so you're running the AFs the stock ECU wants to run except at WOT

For forced induction its PFC or Hydra for the win IMO.

Gravel

· #19 · Oct 19, 2006

Boosted2.0 said:
I still maintain that an e-manage on a FI car is sheer stupidity - the VVTi profiles in the stock ECU alow you to blow a good bit of your intake charge right back out the exhaust, and theers no way to change it. Plus theres no way to make fueling changes stick out of closed loop so you're running the AFs the stock ECU wants to run except at WOT

For forced induction its PFC or Hydra for the win IMO.

I didn't realise the stock VVT timings were that bad :crazy2:

Can't you just force the stock ECU to stick in open loop by spoofing the water temp? This: http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h44.pdf seems to imply that the ECU runs open loop when the car is cold...

I would also have thought that the Ultimate's analog output could be used to spoof the ECU into thinking the A/F is 14.7:1 when it isn't.

Boosted2.0

· #20 · Oct 20, 2006

Gravel said:
Boosted2.0 said:

I still maintain that an e-manage on a FI car is sheer stupidity - the VVTi profiles in the stock ECU alow you to blow a good bit of your intake charge right back out the exhaust, and theers no way to change it. Plus theres no way to make fueling changes stick out of closed loop so you're running the AFs the stock ECU wants to run except at WOT

For forced induction its PFC or Hydra for the win IMO.

Click to expand...

I didn't realise the stock VVT timings were that bad :crazy2:

Can't you just force the stock ECU to stick in open loop by spoofing the water temp? This: http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h44.pdf seems to imply that the ECU runs open loop when the car is cold...

I would also have thought that the Ultimate's analog output could be used to spoof the ECU into thinking the A/F is 14.7:1 when it isn't.

Nope - Toyota ECUs hit closed lop in a matter of like 15 seconds after startup these days. Basically closed loop fuel control comes online as soon as the O2 sensors are up to temp, which, since they have their own heaters, happens mighty fast

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