Originally posted by evensen007
Did a back search, and saw people talking about it. Saw some negative stuff,
^^^ yes and there is a reason for thatOriginally posted by evensen007
None of them run it on a Celica,
And why would that be Celikill? Do you have any first hand experience running this on your car? Hmmmm? They don't run it on any Celis, because they just started taking them in to their garage.Originally posted by CeliKill180
^^^ yes and there is a reason for that
Originally posted by Ditto
I think a guy on Spyderchat has one in his Spyder. i fanyone here is interested, you could wander on over and take a look http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=17372&highlight=phantom+grip
It's on a turbo'd car too.
Originally posted by Jesse IL
#1 its not a real LSD, so who knows how it would work other than in a straight line
If you read the articles on Super Street etc about it, you will find out how it works other than in a straight line.
Originally posted by Jesse IL
Quoting Super Street as a source is the first problem. Second, for hardly any more money you can get an MRS LSD. Install is probably cheaper on the MRS part since it doesn't require disassembling the diff. Basically, there are no upsides to the Phantom Grip in my eyes.
Do I need to get hit in the boys with a hammer to know that it will hurt?Originally posted by evensen007
Solely to understand how it works on a curve. What is the problem with reading about how something works? And how much is the MRS? The PG is 299. Im not trying to be abrasive dude, it's just that you have no first hand knowledge of the things, and you are going out of your way to **** on it.
Originally posted by MicaCeli
Do I need to get hit in the boys with a hammer to know that it will hurt?
Point is that it uses springs to compress on the stock diff. Those springs will wear out quickly and also will wear the input shaft.
Finding someone that will install this thing (since you have to take the Diff appart) will be costly.
Those people that have had no problems with the Phantom Grim probably don't drive their cars everyday.
EDIT: Oh and stop being cheap. You get what you pay for......
Originally posted by evensen007
The PG is 299.
I believe a MRS LSD can be had for around $600, less if you find a used one. Lets say two hours labor to install the Phantom Grip on top of a standard diff install, so an extra $160. Now you're talking $140 difference. Is that amount of money really worth it? A helical diff is a proven, reliable and trusted method for limited slip on a FWD car. Super Street are total ricers known more for photos than anything. They were probably paid by Phantom Grip to print what they did. Readers of that mag would be the kind of people trying to cut corners on everything. Again, there just are no upsides to this as far as I'm concerned.Originally posted by MicaCeli
stop being cheap. You get what you pay for......
Again,Originally posted by Jesse IL
I believe a MRS LSD can be had for around $600, less if you find a used one. Lets say two hours labor to install the Phantom Grip on top of a standard diff install, so an extra $160. Now you're talking $140 difference. Is that amount of money really worth it? A helical diff is a proven, reliable and trusted method for limited slip on a FWD car. Super Street are total ricers known more for photos than anything. They were probably paid by Phantom Grip to print what they did. Readers of that mag would be the kind of people trying to cut corners on everything. Again, there just are no upsides to this as far as I'm concerned.
Originally posted by evensen007
From Sport Compact:
"Although the PG works by causing a binding action on the Spider gears, the heat treatment and alloy of steel used for the blocks helps avoid damage to the differential. Phantom Grip has been in long-term use on the Hyundai Factory Works Motorola Cup Tiburon racers with no problems."
