Will the Celica beat the Goeke-Audi this weekend?
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I looked at some times and it sure looks like some groups had a wet track. Does not look like GS was wet though.
ES looks like it was.
Joe talked to me about his tire choices at the last event.
He chooses between 225 and 245 sizes.
I would think he is using the 245-45-16's.
He says the car feels a little nimbler on the 225's but grips better in long corners with the 245's.
I REALLY hopes he brings the Audi to the next local event to run with me and the Celica.
FM
ES looks like it was.
Joe talked to me about his tire choices at the last event.
He chooses between 225 and 245 sizes.
I would think he is using the 245-45-16's.
He says the car feels a little nimbler on the 225's but grips better in long corners with the 245's.
I REALLY hopes he brings the Audi to the next local event to run with me and the Celica.
FM
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Joe took 1st, Anna 2nd, and Alan got third in his Celica. Alan's codriver was just out of the trophies in 6th... I don't remember exact times, but the domination definitely continued...
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I can't WAIT till nationals. Then you'll finally have to put up or shut up that mouth of yours, B1mmer. Oh, wait.... it'll be GH, or Rick, or Bryan doing it, oh yeah..... 
Good luck.
Good luck.
Andy, I talk a big game to have some fun and keep things interesting, but I stand by my statement that the Goeke Audi is not as un-beatable as some people here and on SCCAForums seem to think. If it is, well, it is. Big deal. We'll certainly know after Nationals.:gap: - ABscapamouche said:I can't WAIT till nationals. Then you'll finally have to put up or shut up that mouth of yours, B1mmer. Oh, wait.... it'll be GH, or Rick, or Bryan doing it, oh yeah.....
Good luck.
Throwing out Saturday because heats 1, 2, parts of 3 and run 3 of heat 5 were wet Joe only managed to finish 29th on index.
Notes:
Chris Cox (BP) was the Sunday PAX/RTP winner
Ron Bauer (DS) beat Joe by 3.5 seconds (both ran heat 4)
Also note: Mr Ruth has only had time to enter the top three cars from each class so he could even drop farther.
Notes:
Chris Cox (BP) was the Sunday PAX/RTP winner
Ron Bauer (DS) beat Joe by 3.5 seconds (both ran heat 4)
Also note: Mr Ruth has only had time to enter the top three cars from each class so he could even drop farther.
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Point taken. I'm not trying to imply that Joe is unbeatable... but watching them drive that monster was very impressive. So was Bauer!!!!B1mmer said:
I think my issue is the implied dismissal of every GS driver who is NOT part of the Central East Coast Celica gang... seems a bit conceited...
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I'm jumping in a little late on the chest beating, but take a look at Nationals results from last year, and the events like Fort Myers and Topeka. The talent and competition is alot deeper, plain and simple, on the east coast.
Joe is top driver no doubt, but just by numbers I don't see the Audi being a match for a Celica, or an E30 318is, or an 85 CRX Si. Too much mass getting thrown around. Yup, the car has some super-zoomy shocks now, but the rest of us aren't on Sears Steadyriders either.
I see this sort of like what FS had last year when Shotz ran basically uncontested out west all year in the Cobra, until he showed up at Topeka and got his ass handed to him.
Joe is top driver no doubt, but just by numbers I don't see the Audi being a match for a Celica, or an E30 318is, or an 85 CRX Si. Too much mass getting thrown around. Yup, the car has some super-zoomy shocks now, but the rest of us aren't on Sears Steadyriders either.
I see this sort of like what FS had last year when Shotz ran basically uncontested out west all year in the Cobra, until he showed up at Topeka and got his ass handed to him.
Andy, I wasn't being conceited... This is a Celica forum, thus the comparisons are only to Celica drivers that I've run against. Alan and Elbert did well against Joe, especially on day two. I know that they don't have the setup $ in the car that the guys on the East Coast have. If you look at the quality of the drivers we run against in GS at every Tour and Pro, it tells me that the talent pool is deep. Just take a look at the Ft. Myers Pro:
The top 5 (of 12) are all within .8 second of each other (all driving Celicas). For the event, Bryan paxed 2nd, Rob 4th, Rick 5th, GH 6th, and I was 9th out of 140 drivers. GH Sharp, who crushed everyone in the Tour the week before, finished 4th (former National Champion). Rick and Rob finished 3rd and 2nd respectively. Take a look at the thread about 'Writing the GOSPEL and National Event wins'... both of their records speak for themselves. My co-driver finished 9th at Nationals last year (first Nationals), got a 3rd a Rome Tour '02, and won this event. 6th place Chang Ho Kim has won plenty of Pros and Tours, in GS and other classes. 9th place David Schnoerr (former National Champion) was apparently murdering the locals in his 337 GTI (Darren Disimo and others thought he'd do extremely well at the Ft. Myers Tour/Pro), yet he was a distant 9th in the Pro, and 6th in the Tour. Jean Kinser Dana who runs Evolution School and was .056 behind me in 4th in the previous week's Tour was 8th... and she has her share of National wins along with a Ladies National Championship.
Obviously, these are deep fields... Another good example is Chris Hartman from '02. Here is an extremely nice guy, and a very good driver. Came into the Pro Finale with 40 points, winning 2 of the 3 West Coast events he entered (2nd at Wendover to Russell Blume). In the Pro Finale, he finished 6th, behind 4 Celicas (GH, Rick, Brian Priebe, and myself) and Russell Blume in his 318is. Does that mean that Chris is a bad driver? Hell no, but he was awfully surprised by the talent pool on the East Coast. Remember, this is coming from a guy who won El Toro Pro by 2.7 seconds and nipped the second win at Atwater by .15 seconds where he felt he didn't drive well, although he went on to runner up status for the Super Challenge at that event. Since Nationals, all of the Celicas I've mentioned have altered their shock setup, and have gotten even faster. - AB
The top 5 (of 12) are all within .8 second of each other (all driving Celicas). For the event, Bryan paxed 2nd, Rob 4th, Rick 5th, GH 6th, and I was 9th out of 140 drivers. GH Sharp, who crushed everyone in the Tour the week before, finished 4th (former National Champion). Rick and Rob finished 3rd and 2nd respectively. Take a look at the thread about 'Writing the GOSPEL and National Event wins'... both of their records speak for themselves. My co-driver finished 9th at Nationals last year (first Nationals), got a 3rd a Rome Tour '02, and won this event. 6th place Chang Ho Kim has won plenty of Pros and Tours, in GS and other classes. 9th place David Schnoerr (former National Champion) was apparently murdering the locals in his 337 GTI (Darren Disimo and others thought he'd do extremely well at the Ft. Myers Tour/Pro), yet he was a distant 9th in the Pro, and 6th in the Tour. Jean Kinser Dana who runs Evolution School and was .056 behind me in 4th in the previous week's Tour was 8th... and she has her share of National wins along with a Ladies National Championship.
Obviously, these are deep fields... Another good example is Chris Hartman from '02. Here is an extremely nice guy, and a very good driver. Came into the Pro Finale with 40 points, winning 2 of the 3 West Coast events he entered (2nd at Wendover to Russell Blume). In the Pro Finale, he finished 6th, behind 4 Celicas (GH, Rick, Brian Priebe, and myself) and Russell Blume in his 318is. Does that mean that Chris is a bad driver? Hell no, but he was awfully surprised by the talent pool on the East Coast. Remember, this is coming from a guy who won El Toro Pro by 2.7 seconds and nipped the second win at Atwater by .15 seconds where he felt he didn't drive well, although he went on to runner up status for the Super Challenge at that event. Since Nationals, all of the Celicas I've mentioned have altered their shock setup, and have gotten even faster. - AB
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Prepared Civic... 'Got my Ass Handed to me?'....
How many National Championships do you have?
Did you miss the Pro Solo results... where I finished .017 out of 1st... ??? And was leading through Sunday Morning?
Did you notice I tried to do it in a car that no one said could do it? I haven't placed lower than 4th Place since 1996 at either the Pro Solo Finale or the Solo2 National Championship!...
Just to let you know... at Nationals (I was unaware)... but after the Pro Solo, my right Front Strut failed... I don't blame the car... and figured I was just off the game... but to go from beating every single one of those drivers except Kozlack at the Pro... I didn't understand why I was off... When I got home and sent the struts back for revalving I realized the Passenger side Strut had leaked out all the oil, and just compressed.
Anyways... Please let me know what class you run... and your name... and I can look forward to throwing together a $500 Civic, and kindly handing you your ASS!!! ;-)
PS... I didn't realize beating Kevin Youngers by 1.5 Seconds per Event! (which isn't he the Fast DS guy on the East Coast?) was running uncontested? I must be running Uncontested in my ESP Car this year... Steve, and the rest of the ESP guys will like knowing you feel that way about them!
I'll tell you this much... for 6 years I have been chosen as a driver that could win... but never picked to win... last year they picked me to win... and plenty call that the Kiss of Death... I think it held true for me!
Dave... uncontested Schotz...
How many National Championships do you have?
Did you miss the Pro Solo results... where I finished .017 out of 1st... ??? And was leading through Sunday Morning?
Did you notice I tried to do it in a car that no one said could do it? I haven't placed lower than 4th Place since 1996 at either the Pro Solo Finale or the Solo2 National Championship!...
Just to let you know... at Nationals (I was unaware)... but after the Pro Solo, my right Front Strut failed... I don't blame the car... and figured I was just off the game... but to go from beating every single one of those drivers except Kozlack at the Pro... I didn't understand why I was off... When I got home and sent the struts back for revalving I realized the Passenger side Strut had leaked out all the oil, and just compressed.
Anyways... Please let me know what class you run... and your name... and I can look forward to throwing together a $500 Civic, and kindly handing you your ASS!!! ;-)
PS... I didn't realize beating Kevin Youngers by 1.5 Seconds per Event! (which isn't he the Fast DS guy on the East Coast?) was running uncontested? I must be running Uncontested in my ESP Car this year... Steve, and the rest of the ESP guys will like knowing you feel that way about them!
I'll tell you this much... for 6 years I have been chosen as a driver that could win... but never picked to win... last year they picked me to win... and plenty call that the Kiss of Death... I think it held true for me!
Dave... uncontested Schotz...
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I can accept that: I haven't gone deeply into the research myself...
Maybe I'm just bitter, anyway: When I was back in VA, I was nowjere near competitive, and out here I'm better off, but still not at the top My only real racing thing of note has been the Madza thing... and that's hardly final...
On a different note, i see a big slap fight comin' Welcome to the forum, Dave...
Maybe I'm just bitter, anyway: When I was back in VA, I was nowjere near competitive, and out here I'm better off, but still not at the top
My only real racing thing of note has been the Madza thing... and that's hardly final...On a different note, i see a big slap fight comin'
Welcome to the forum, Dave... Dave I would not get to worried about this board, considering the sources. I am not sure when a few individuals are going to figure out they are not entertaining, but are upsetting people.
Oh, Dave don't spend the money on the Civic, I am sure Eckert will give you a co-drive any time in a equivalent car.... This way you can "break it down"
Dave you still "The Man"!!
Priebe
Oh, Dave don't spend the money on the Civic, I am sure Eckert will give you a co-drive any time in a equivalent car.... This way you can "break it down"
Dave you still "The Man"!!
Priebe
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here are some pics from Atwater to lighten the mood.
http://www.talisweb.com/gallery/?dir=bdougr//Automotive/autox/atwaterSCCA
http://www.subrew.com/library/atwater_nt2003/thumbs.html
http://www.talisweb.com/gallery/?dir=bdougr//Automotive/autox/atwaterSCCA
http://www.subrew.com/library/atwater_nt2003/thumbs.html
I finally ran against a National hotshoe here in the West Coast and concerning the circumstances from Saturday. I'd say, I'm happy where I stand. Yeah, I always admitted that the East Coast Celica drivers have better prepared cars, would that help if I had the DA shocks? Don't know, but being .7 off Joe on Sunday should give you indication. Was he taking it easy on Sunday knowing he had a big lead, don't know, but he was dropping time on his runs.
I'm sure you guys here with GH and maybe Priebe if he wants to run, could give Joe a run for his money.
Wish, I could head over to the East Coast and sometime driver one of you cars. Like I said, you guys/gals can come over to the West Coast sometime and co-drive my car.
LOL, I wish I can make that call to GH and say "I want your shocks."
I know Dave Schotz was watching our runs, he was our starter of our run group. Welcome Dave...
Oh, I say, the course over the weekend was fast and fun! 3rd gear and bouncing off the limiter on some parts. Conehugger (David Rock), you should have came up, the majority of the high HP cars in STS did well on day one. I know you would have been close to the uber/Franken-Honda.
-Alan
I'm sure you guys here with GH and maybe Priebe if he wants to run, could give Joe a run for his money.
Wish, I could head over to the East Coast and sometime driver one of you cars. Like I said, you guys/gals can come over to the West Coast sometime and co-drive my car.
LOL, I wish I can make that call to GH and say "I want your shocks."
I know Dave Schotz was watching our runs, he was our starter of our run group. Welcome Dave...
Oh, I say, the course over the weekend was fast and fun! 3rd gear and bouncing off the limiter on some parts. Conehugger (David Rock), you should have came up, the majority of the high HP cars in STS did well on day one. I know you would have been close to the uber/Franken-Honda.
-Alan
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Dave,
I'll say this.... with how dominating you were out west last year, and all other things being equal, which they never are.... And since you were picked to win.... You couldn't win for losing... You win, and you were supposed to, you lose, and it softens your success out west...
By looking at results though from Nationals, and without prior knowledge of mechanical issues, it does appear that you were beat pretty handidly...
And I do welcome you to GS any time.. just remember the wheel hop we get is quite different then those F-Bodies...
Rick Cone
I'll say this.... with how dominating you were out west last year, and all other things being equal, which they never are.... And since you were picked to win.... You couldn't win for losing... You win, and you were supposed to, you lose, and it softens your success out west...
By looking at results though from Nationals, and without prior knowledge of mechanical issues, it does appear that you were beat pretty handidly...
And I do welcome you to GS any time.. just remember the wheel hop we get is quite different then those F-Bodies...
Rick Cone
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