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I think it's about time to replace my spark plugs, I'm at 90k miles on my 2003 stock GT-S M/T.

What tools will I need, and is there a quick little guide or pictures of how to do this? Any torque specifications? Never done this before, tried searching for some info but failed. Just looking for some pointers in case there's something people commonly forget, or recommendations...

Thanks.
 
wow, you have 1700 posts and you dont know how to change spark plugs? read my guide on how to test compression, that will give you all the steps on how to get to your plugs. I dont think there is a torque setting for plugs because they have a crush washer. just turn untill it gets tight, but dont overtighten them
 
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Come on now Smaay. I respect you but since when does post count = mechanical experience? :p

I know enough on vehicles to understand the concepts and I've done many vehicle maintenance things on my own,. I just want to make sure I don't break anything since the Celica is "special", and I was curious if anyone had any special notes to recommend.

Personally I have little judgement in my own physical strength so I'll invest in a <20 LB torque wrench. I believe I saw the torque specifications in the manual, I was hoping now to have to go through it again though.
 
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Thanks for the thread though, this is what I was looking for:

10. Using 5/8 spark plug socket and suitable extension (6-8 in.) remove and inspect sparkplugs.
I plan to use NGK Iridium IX, unless anyone has a better recommendation.

FYI for anyone else, torque is 13 ft-lbs, manual also suggest a 16 mm plug wrench.
 
DENSO 4702 Iridium TT is an excellent spark plug to run, will easily last another 90K miles without degrading substantially.
 
No, it's good information for those who need it. Threads like these are what get Google search results hitting the forums, page views, and what not. Good.
 
These cars have coil packs so plug change is a 15-20 minute job...just pull the coil packs remove and replace plugs....and don't over think it..just tighten to snug and grunt once(give it a tad extra to lock it in) do not over tighten... seriously if you can't do plugs on this car in your sleep sell the dang thing haha
 
Not always, if they've been in for the full 100,000 mile service interval then they'll likely be seized into the head with a healthy layer of carbon and varnish and be very difficult to remove. Mine, at 85,000 miles, were in very tight and took a long time to back out by hand carefully.
 
If you really think those plugs last 100k and shouldn't be replaced more than that....you got problems...why would you wait that long and risk failure...bad performance or worse breaking them.off when it's $50 for new plugs?....why wouldn't you change them before they get that bad?...if it's about money then maybe you can't afford a sports car?......
People just FYI....it's called preventative maintenance for a reason....surely no one here thinks the factory intervals are the best way to go on a sports car?
 
Plenty of people buy cars and don't do maintenance beyond oil changes/air filters simply because they don't have to during their ownership of the vehicle. Not every owner is doing plugs every 30-50K miles, and when that happens they can become seized, not every car has plugs that just fall right out when you open the tool box. Look here, plenty of threads about seized plugs around, but luckily very few or no threads about broken ones. Toyota uses a tough alloy for the heads and the OE plugs are not prone to breaking off even under high torque.

And yes, there are in fact spark plugs that will last and maintain performance for 100,000 miles. Denso currently has a spark plug with an iridium center and platinum ground, I've pulled a few examples out of newer Corolla that have 100,000 miles and the gap has barely changed from that of the new plugs, the only wear appears to be sound rounding and very very minor recession of the platinum ground point. I believe Bosch (and maybe Bosch sold as Motorcraft) also have similar spark plugs out now as well. Extended service intervals are a big seller in the new car market because cars are ranked and rated by various media outlets on their maintenance costs so the farther down the line you kick that can the better your car looks. More and more life time fluids, 100,000 mile coolant, 100,000 mile spark plugs, life time timing chains, etc etc. Lots of marketing wank but those Denso plugs really do go the distance. And they've been made available in M14 thread now for a few years, I have a set on my 2ZZ.
 
This is all very true my friend ....however the fact that people going the full interval are having seized plugs is proof enough that the intervals are too long...
Let's be clear....extended maintenance intervals are a convienance factor not best practice.....take oil for example....plenty of extended drain intervals oils out there....what they don't mention is that.for example with Mobil one15k oil,when your roughly half way there (7k miles)...the base lubricosity of the oil at that point is often no better than new conventional oil....that's unacceptable...that means that while you may be able to leave it in for 15k...it has long since lost the ability to protect your engine in the way new oil does. This a backed up with testing from Bob the oil guy....my point is extended intervals doesn't mean it's as good for your car to go that long....fluids especially lose the properties that provide protection after many many heat and wear cycles. I'm not surprised a Corolla plugs looked new at 100k...that motor has neither the power nor the rpm capability that the celca does....just saying....best practice is maintenance intervals based on your cars real world experience....if tour car eats plugs by 50k. Then change at 50k...don't wait for 100k just because that's some abitrary number the dealer wants you to go by....do the maintenance your car wants....not just what's called for...it will last longer.
Good discussion
 
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This is all very true my friend ....however the fact that people going the full interval are having seized plugs is proof enough that the intervals are too long...
Let's be clear....extended maintenance intervals are a convienance factor not best practice.....take oil for example....plenty of extended drain intervals oils out there....what they don't mention is that.for example with Mobil one15k oil,when your roughly half way there (7k miles)...the base lubricosity of the oil at that point is often no better than new conventional oil....that's unacceptable...that means that while you may be able to leave it in for 15k...it has long since lost the ability to protect your engine in the way new oil does. This a backed up with testing from Bob the oil guy....my point is extended intervals doesn't mean it's as good for your car to go that long....fluids especially lose the properties that provide protection after many many heat and wear cycles. I'm not surprised a Corolla plugs looked new at 100k...that motor has neither the power nor the rpm capability that the celca does....just saying....best practice is maintenance intervals based on your cars real world experience....if tour car eats plugs by 50k. Then change at 50k...don't wait for 100k just because that's some abitrary number the dealer wants you to go by....do the maintenance your car wants....not just what's called for...it will last longer.
Good discussion
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

First off, this thread is 8 years old... That's enough time to get a Ph.D. So keep your insults to yourself regarding what someone should do with their car simply because they sought advice on a forum for something they had never done before.

Secondly, the Celica is not a sports car. It's a sporty car..

Third, I change my synthetic oil every 15k miles on the Celica. I have it tested by a laboratory and the viscosity is actually good enough for another 5k miles - but I change the filter at 15k and figure I may as well drain the oil at the same time. Mind you, I don't use cheap oil either and I'm far from the average owner.

Also, "bob is the oil guy" is a website - not a single person with an authority. Just because some random forum users (like you) say something (or even me) doesn't make it true for everyone.

The only thing we can agree on is to come up with interval based on your own car - but if you want to get real technical then you can test things to determine that interval (such as fluids and spark plugs).

On THAT note, the dealer maintenance intervals are nearly always VERY conservative. If you beat the hell out of your car then sure your mileage will vary. But if you're not tracking it and use it as a daily driver, the OEM intervals are easily good enough.

Seizing spark plugs is more of an issue regarding exposure to elements. If your car is up north and near a coast and always parked outside then you're going to find things seized up way more than my garaged car that gets covered parking at work.
 
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