[GSBoek]

I'm banking on at least 220whp for the best all motor 2ZZs. The K20 is simply a newer, better engine design.

 

[lVlemphizStylez]

I'm banking on at least 220whp for the best all motor 2ZZs. The K20 is simply a newer, better engine design.

That's with the book thrown at it on race fuel....maybe

 

[Serge]

there is no ****ing comparison here.

The 2zz has yet to break a documented, real 200 whp NA

The K20 consistently puts down 270 whp NA, 300+ with ITBs

Hell, most of the Civic guys are seeing 220 whp with bolt ons and FlashPRO.

Manny (on here) from Montreal went past 200 N/A and moving up. Toyota engines are just not mod friendly, then again we are comparing 1.8L vs a 2.0L

 

[GSBoek]

That's with the book thrown at it on race fuel....maybe

Of course it will have to have the book thrown at it. Same with the B18 it was designed to compete with. If Chris' 2ZZ was able to make 190 whp on a conservative tune, on a hot day, on a bonestock motor, with a bonestock header, with a Kazuma, DD manifold and intake, I have no doubt that a fully built 2ZZ will see 220+ whp.

 

[marc]

Manny (on here) from Montreal went past 200 N/A and moving up. Toyota engines are just not mod friendly, then again we are comparing 1.8L vs a 2.0L

link and dyno?

and you want to compare?

try the b16.

1.6L - those motors are over 200 whp NA.

 

[marc]

Of course it will have to have the book thrown at it. Same with the B18 it was designed to compete with. If Chris' 2ZZ was able to make 190 whp on a conservative tune, on a hot day, on a bonestock motor, with a bonestock header, with a Kazuma, DD manifold and intake, I have no doubt that a fully built 2ZZ will see 220+ whp.

nobody has a doubt - my point is nobody has actually done it.

Meanwhile you have D16s (Yes, D SERIES MOTORS) from Honda that have made over 200 whp NA.

 

[GSBoek]

I know you don't doubt that it will be done, my post was directed towards Memphis' "....maybe".

 

[03gts6speed]

there is no ****ing comparison here.

The 2zz has yet to break a documented, real 200 whp NA

The K20 consistently puts down 270 whp NA, 300+ with ITBs

Hell, most of the Civic guys are seeing 220 whp with bolt ons and FlashPRO.

there are guys putting down over 200+whp now in the xrs. they are making progress. i still think its a waste of time in my book.

 

[longbowgun]

That is with the 2.0 block. Yes, 250-270 whp with the 2.0L block, bolt ons, tune, and cams. 220 whp with bolt ons and tune. 200 whp with bolt ons. 2.0L block (in case you forgot).

Guys are seeing over 300 whp with the 2.4L block.

naturally aspirated.

...just cams and a reflash

 

[longbowgun]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

 

[ajh1717]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

Thank you for displaying your stupidity on this topic.

 

[DD'00GT]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

This was too funny!

Books & Tech Info Section...Please read them

 

[GSBoek]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

Did you actually read what you wrote?

 

[Celicasaur]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

sig worthy :chuckles:

 

[Celicasaur]

FWIW though and getting back on topic to the thread, there are still far too few built N/Z 2zz's out there at the moment...BUT we now have a good few over the 200whp unicorn that so many doubted.

This year through various people on NC.org I can think of 5 that are above 200whp. A couple even made it above 210. Sleepless2zz lotus made awesome numbers on a roasting hot day in Texas.

It's possible to get very respectable power from these motors, but yes you DO need to throw the book at them and you do need some luck along the way too (but then doesn't everyone? :shrugs: )

 

[scarface]

Im interested. How does the 6spd tranny for the k20 compare to the C60? Are those guys running 250-270 even 300 whp k20s running stock trannies (aftermarket clutch obviously)?

 

[Zero]

If im seeing 180 at the flywheel stock then i must be able to mod to 200 at the wheel NA... wait are we talking fly or wheel?

Thank you for displaying your stupidity on this topic.

Did you actually read what you wrote?

Hold on, he's been here since 2004. He has to have messed up somewhere while making that post.

Seriously though, if he isn't kidding or tries to backtrack, I will add him into my hidden post of ricer Celica owner quotes. :chuckles:

 

[Carbonized_GT]

Im interested. How does the 6spd tranny for the k20 compare to the C60? Are those guys running 250-270 even 300 whp k20s running stock trannies (aftermarket clutch obviously)?

The 06 Si's had a 2nd & 3rd gear issue. But other than that its a better transmission.

Oh and T3h 2zZ CaN NevAr LoSe!!!!!11!!111

 

[zzt231 gr]

Nice thread revival!!:gap:

Isn't the PPE Redliner header,63mm straight through decated exhaust,PPE intake,ported TB and Power FC a 200whp worth mod?You can count me in,too!!

 

[seanaynay]

I like how the OP hasn't responded after the information he was looking for came out. lol
Very useful information though thanks GSboek.