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Dyno results: Injen CAI vs. AEM CAI

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#1 ·
I've had these for a while but haven't posted them. I bought an Injen 3rd gen CAI to compare with my AEM CAI. My car also has a TRD exhaust. I dynoed the car stock a while back as well. The same dyno was used both times as well as the same tire inflation pressure. This is how I tested the car to make sure the Injen and AEM results would compare fairly. I installed the Injen on a Friday night along with the TRD exhaust. I reset the ECU and cleaned the MAF sensor. The Injen was run about 200 miles total before it was tested, a mix of street, highway, and two days at the track. The best run was the morning after installing the intake/exhaust 14.8@98.95mph. I noticed with the Injen a massive lack of low end power compared with the AEM. The car also was hard to drive smoothly away from lights comparitively and had a big bog at about 4600 rpm under part throttle. You can see in the first dyno run that the Injen/TRD combo is killing the stock setup up top but is losing tons of power down low. The Injen HP line is red and torque line is green, stock HP line is dark blue and torque line is light blue.

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On Wednesday night after dtnoing the Injen setup, I removed it and reinstalled the AEM, resetting the ECU again. The car was driven about 50 miles before it was run on Thursday at the dyno. The low end power and drivability off idle picked right back up and the part throttle bog disappeared. The first graph shows the AEM/TRD combo vs. stock (AEM HP=dark blue, torque=light blue stock HP=red, torque=green) As you can see, the low end power loss is significantly less than with the Injen.

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Now this last graph shows the AEM/TRD vs. Injen/TRD This is where I was surprised. The Injen olny beat out the AEM by one peak HP. And the Injen only passed the AEM after 7300 rpm. Not only that, but the AEM absolutely killed the Injen down low. (In this graph AEM HP=dark blue, torque=light blue Injen HP=red, torque=green)

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After having both intakes in my car, I can say that the AEM is a far better choice for street use. The fitment of the intake is far better, and there are no holes or stumbles in the powerband. That isn't to say that the Injen may not have some promise or does not have good aspects. It may be possible to tune the Injen with a S-AFC to make more top end power, because that seems to be where its powerband is biased. Also, the Injen puts the filter in a far better location than the AEM. The Injen has a sharp bend at the end which causes the filter to sit nearly vertical and up and out of the airstream coming into the front bumper. This is beneficial in two ways. First, the filter isn't constantly being bombarded with road debris. Second, I think that in real world use, the AEM may suffer a power loss at high speeds. Its filter is located right in the air stream entering the bumper. When you move air at speed past the end of a pipe, you have a pressure drop at the end of the pipe. At high speeds, there is alot of airflow through the front end, especially with ny TRD bumper that has a large gap between the plastics and the bumper. I am thinking of making a fiberglass ram air box to mount the AEM in that is fed by the opening in the front bumper.

So I hope this all was enlightening to everyone. More stuff can be found at my site http://www.ameritech.net/users/trdcelica/celica.htm
 
#3 ·
Thanks. One thing I forgot. My power readings were down a bit compared with what I expected. Since the Celica has a very adaptive ECU, I think the car will over time learn itself to higher power. I felt that resetting the ECU shortly before dynoing the car was the only way to make the test fair. Sport Compact Car found that their WRX lost a bit of power after resetting the ECU.
 
#8 ·
very interesting post.
i would think different cars perform differently also but this is a good way to see.
larryd also compaired all of them and didn't loose that much...
he also made 175hp with the injen and the torque numbers were pretty close to the same as the aem.
you should of went to the dyno, made a few runs with one and swithed it right than and made some more runs.
i want to try this out...
 
#9 ·
I don't notice this low end lack of power at all. Check mine out.
This is a warm run and an overheated run with the CAI. STOCK exhaust.

At 4000 rpm, where your run shows 75, I'm showing about 86. On either run.

Not to mention my peak HP numbers.

So keeping in mind that this is different dyno, different car, etc. I have some questions:

1. Did my run post higher numbers because I let my ECU run with the CAI for weeks before dyno?

2. Is the TRD Exhaust hurting the performance down low?

3. Is the TRD Exhaust even worth the money?

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I think it's tough to say that the AEM is better for street use when what you in fact dyno'd was the AEM+Exhaust combo. Not simply CAI vs CAI.

Regardless...I won't be running out to buy an exhaust anytime soon.
 
#10 ·
so AEM + exhaust is better down low...

it might have something to do with the fact that you DO need a bit of backpressure low down to make some torque... you dont need much.. but whatever you need i guess has been taken away by a freer flowing exhaust.
 
#11 ·
ToJo said:
I don't notice this low end lack of power at all. Check mine out.
This is a warm run and an overheated run with the CAI. STOCK exhaust.

At 4000 rpm, where your run shows 75, I'm showing about 86. On either run.

Not to mention my peak HP numbers.

So keeping in mind that this is different dyno, different car, etc. I have some questions:

1. Did my run post higher numbers because I let my ECU run with the CAI for weeks before dyno?

2. Is the TRD Exhaust hurting the performance down low?

3. Is the TRD Exhaust even worth the money?

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I think it's tough to say that the AEM is better for street use when what you in fact dyno'd was the AEM+Exhaust combo. Not simply CAI vs CAI.

Regardless...I won't be running out to buy an exhaust anytime soon.
Is it me or did you run both your runs with the CAI, if so then what are you comparing. warm engine vs hot. if im wrong then my bad. but your run should be stock air box at a particular engine temp vs CAI w/ the same engine temp to see and particular gains or losses in your RPM range...
 
#14 ·
I don't know how long the intakes were on the car before thte dyno, but I do have to say that it definately makes a difference after the ECU has "learned." I thought the whole learning thing was a bunch of bologne, but it really does make a difference, particularly with the injen. The injen (3rd jen that is) is really rough until the engine learns and smoothes it out. Im not sure what the effect is on power, but after learning the car runs a lot smoother.

I used to have the aem intake as well, and just from driving experiences I have to say that the injen makes better power when you want to go fast. I think that the peak power is definately better than the AEM, how much I cant say, but it is noticeable to me just from driving. It is easier to stay in lift thats for sure.

As far as low end power, I cant really praise either. The celica just doesnt have much in that department and either intake is going to do a whole lot for our car. When I put on the aem, I didnt really notice a whole world a difference and the same with the injen.

When it comes down to it, I'm glad I ended up with the Injen, even though it does require cutting the ecu pipe. I think that the injen is a good match for our car by giving IMO the max possible peak horsepower, which is all our car's got going for it anyway.
 
#16 ·
Slo: You're right...they're both INJEN CAI runs with stock exhaust.
I'm comparing my low end curve to Jesse's low end INJEN curve and find mine is way better. No low end power loss.

SO it looks like the TRD exhaust is what's causing the low end loss to the INJEN intake. Maybe AEM optimised their intake to work well with an aftermarket exhaust while INJEN optimised their for best stock exhaust performance. I don't know. But there's definitely no low end power loss with INJEN+Stock exhaust.
 
#17 ·
ToJo said:
Slo: You're right...they're both INJEN CAI runs with stock exhaust.
I'm comparing my low end curve to Jesse's low end INJEN curve and find mine is way better. No low end power loss.

SO it looks like the TRD exhaust is what's causing the low end loss to the INJEN intake. Maybe AEM optimised their intake to work well with an aftermarket exhaust while INJEN optimised their for best stock exhaust performance. I don't know. But there's definitely no low end power loss with INJEN+Stock exhaust.
is this saying i will lose power for paying 600 dollars for an exhaust? if so i will keep stock exhaust. :) and save that 600 dollars toward rims or something...
 
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#18 ·
static said:
Awesome post Jesse.

For those of you that don't think the TRD Exhaust is a good investment... see my dyno results. These are a good idea of performance gains before and after adding the TRD exhaust. Note to all the doubters.. weather/temp were practically the same during my dyno runs:

http://www.newcelica.org/other/dyno/static/dyno2.jpg

Static,

From your dyno, you gained almost 8HP with TRD... taht is impressive... i wonder how much I gained with INJEN/BLITZ combo..
 
#19 ·
After reading that post, I have a couple of questions. (Good Post by the way)

Those of us who are driving a GT (meaning we have no liftor course) would the injen be better? I thought I was sold on buying an injen but I have heard a lot of talk lately about the injen only producing power at high rpms. Since I peak out at 7k rpms would the AEM be a better buy?
 
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#21 ·
RPICelica said:
After reading that post, I have a couple of questions. (Good Post by the way)

Those of us who are driving a GT (meaning we have no liftor course) would the injen be better? I thought I was sold on buying an injen but I have heard a lot of talk lately about the injen only producing power at high rpms. Since I peak out at 7k rpms would the AEM be a better buy?

I got an Injen and it seems fine with me...I felt the gain right away...now yes AEM has been proven that it does provide better low end HP... It is totally up to you though. I like Injen as far as looks go..Prices are almost same...
 
#22 ·
Banshee: All I'm saying is that I'm at 170 with stock exhaust.
Unless I see a dyno with intake/exhaust giving about 178 then I'm not dishing out the bucks. There are plenty of other mods to deal with (flywheel/clutch/lsd come to mind)
 
#23 ·
ok here is larryd's from the dyno section of this sight. the only difference is that he was running a TRM exhaust and that he had the AEM tuned with the S-AFC for more HP, the injen did not have the S-AFC.

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The injen made more HP and more torqe and over all was a better performer. I'm wondering what is going on with this because I was sold on the injen after I saw this but now I'm ?? it.

Also I have a question about the AEM, I was one on a GT and they had to cut part of the wheel well to fit it in. Does the AEM CAI need that for the GT-S?
 
#24 · (Edited)
Keep in mind that it is only fair to compare cars with the ECU recently reset. Running the car for a long time will give the ECU a chance to learn and the car will most likely show a gain in power. That's why I tested the intakes the way I did. As a note, Static ran his car on the same dyno that I did. Is his car really making 5 more peak HP that mine is with the same setup? Most likely not, but he had been running that ECU without being reset for many months. There are also many ways to make dynos inconsistent, which is why I used the same dyno, at times that were as close together as possible (to minimize differences in weather). Also, the SAE correction factors used are only accurate over a very small range from standard atmospheric pressure. I tried as hard as I could to remove any possible bias from the tests. To be perfectly honest, the Injen had more miles on it when tested and the first test day was a few degrees cooler but the humidity was down about 15% compared to the second day.

EDIT: I suppose it also would be informative to test a setup that had been on your car a long time, install the different intake and dyno that a few months later, trying to make the weather conditions as similar as possible on the two days.