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Why is it that every time I polish and wax my car the orange peel looks...? BME....?

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#1 ·
Everytime I wash,clay, polish, and wax my car the orange peel seems to become more and more noticeable. The car always shines like a MOFO but it doesn't seem to have the same depth as it did when it was new. However, I own a silver car and it is hard to get that depth in any silver colored car but especially one that is silver/ metallic flake.

I tried Zaino and I believe it is crap so I went back to my loyal brand, Meguiars. I always wash with Dawn before doing a complete wash/ wax job. Next, I clay the car and then rewash it. After that I apply 1-2 coats of Meguiar's #7 Show Car Glaze and follow it with 2-3 coats of Meguiar's #26 Hi-Tech Yellow Wax. Everytime I do this process I get amazing results but lately it seems that the car doesn't have the depth it once had. The orange peel gets moreand more noticeable everytime. I use these products by hand for I feel that using a machine on a well taken care of car that is 1.5 years old is not needed. Am I somehow actually removing a little of the clear every time I do this method or is it that the shine is just getting deeper and deeper making the orange peel more noticeable?

Justin
 
#23 ·
Originally posted by Dawnskaybug
..... If anyone wants a good detailing forum PM me ill give it to you
They must first use the search here and be proficiant with it. I have less than 10 posts over there because most everything that I've ever wanted to know has been completely covered.

While the members are great over there, let's filter out the "what's the best wax, that costs the least, lasts the longest, and easiest to use" questions here.
 
#22 ·
Wet sanding will remove orange peel . Its just hard to learn to do and its not something you want to **** up either Im going to get into it soon I am starting a collection of junk yard hoods to start practicing on. I "buff" my car and truck 1 once a month with a polisher no problems yet . http://www.portercable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2805
Thats what I use with a different pad of course If anyone wants a good detailing forum PM me ill give it to you
 
#20 ·
Also I did a little research (borrowed some autobody finish book from library) They talked about the orange peel effect that you see on almost every car. Long story short, the orange peel effect is cause the by the way the how clear coat is dry in the factory or bodyshop. Only way to get rid of it wet sand the very top layer off then polish it to shine. All custom built hot rod or custom car, do the wet sand step on the finishing stage for that deep, smooth look. Most car manufacture doesn't do this step is because it is very labour intensive, and takes a long time to do it right.
 
#19 ·
Satan said:
Try ZYMOL, i used zaino and still do when i have time. ZYMOL does wonders though. It will give you that wet look for a good period after application. Orange peel does come from factory and will not come off. this is after a couple of weeks after zymol and i didn't even wash it that day. Some guy took this pic. no photochop or anything.
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#17 ·
Try ZYMOL, i used zaino and still do when i have time. ZYMOL does wonders though. It will give you that wet look for a good period after application. Orange peel does come from factory and will not come off. this is after a couple of weeks after zymol and i didn't even wash it that day. Some guy took this pic. no photochop or anything.
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#10 ·
It's happened to my silver too. Never used dishwashing soap, waxed reguilarly. I just figured the clear was wearing off. Has anyone heard of re-clearcoating? Is there a method where the bodyshop can add a clear coat or redo the clear without having to repaint?
 
#9 ·
show car glaze and #26 ahve no abbrasives in it so u aren't removing any clear coat.

if you are looking forsomthing with allittle abbrasives then get #3, it has allittle bit of abbrasives in it and will work to remove light swirls.

stay away from dawn does more harm then good...

john
 
#8 ·
Dawnskaybug said:
Your wasting your time on the 3rd coat of #26 maybe 2nd too
get a PC 7424,Klasse twins , and #26 topped with S-100
Kix ass thats what I use on my customers cars
Silver cars suck to get a good "depth" from
If your looking for depth try meguiars NXT wax its suppose to provide real good depth for cars
Also Orange peel I thought was from the paint gun to far from the car (I know it is a computer that paints it) also Factories do paint work after the car has been assembled I work with a guy who worked for a big 3 repaint section If the orange peel is bothering you that much some detailers can remove it
i would lay off the dawn I know sal zaino says touse it Im hearing more negs about it that positives just use a good car shampoo should do
Yeah I always thought that the Dawn was a little rough as well and I have never liked using it. However, I have only used Dawn 2 times so I should be ok, but it does dry out your exterior plastics really fast.
 
#7 ·
Your wasting your time on the 3rd coat of #26 maybe 2nd too
get a PC 7424,Klasse twins , and #26 topped with S-100
Kix ass thats what I use on my customers cars
Silver cars suck to get a good "depth" from
If your looking for depth try meguiars NXT wax its suppose to provide real good depth for cars
Also Orange peel I thought was from the paint gun to far from the car (I know it is a computer that paints it) also Factories do paint work after the car has been assembled I work with a guy who worked for a big 3 repaint section If the orange peel is bothering you that much some detailers can remove it
i would lay off the dawn I know sal zaino says touse it Im hearing more negs about it that positives just use a good car shampoo should do
 
#4 ·
The orange peel is from the clear coat, not because it is supposed to remove surface defects. It is clear paint that cures "all bumpy looking", because of the chemicals (or lack there of) in it.

You keep asking the same type of questions over and over for a different body panel. My answer is the same every time.
Originally posted by bme107
That orange peel can be atributed to the new paint/clears that are being used. The new non/less toxic chemicals in them just do not cure smooth as glass like the bad for us chemicals.
Originally posted by bme107
........ but rather the new enviromantally safe chemicals that they are using in the paint/clear process. Application procedure probably still has something to do with it though.
Hand glazing and waxing is not bringing out more orange peel. You're are imagining it. If it's there, it's there. Sure, it's easier to see it on a shiney surface with the proper inspection lighting.

You're fanatical about the appearance of your car, I suggest you get a magnification loop and paint thickness gauge to more closely examine what is going on with it.
 
#3 ·
Nah, that is not true bro.! A lot of cars come straight off the show room floor with orange peel. It is a process used to remove any abnormalities, trash and what not, in the paint. All celicas have the orange peel effect! It is especially noticeable on the sides of the doors because from what I can tell the front fenders and rear quarters of the cars look fine. However, every Celica I have ever seen has the orange peel effect on the doors. The problem is I started noticing this effect all over my car after I did the above process over the weekend. I have neer noticed orange peel or a texturized appearance anywhere else on my car, besides the doors, until this weekend. I do not know if I am effectively removing some of the clear or what. I am hoping that is just more noticeable because it is shinier! I am interested in seeing what BME and A Piece of Work have to say about this.

By the way I know my car has never been repainted LOL unless it was repainted by the dealer before I ever laid my hands on it. If so, then they have a lawsuit on their hands!

Justin