Ok...... what is the pros and cons of a Turbo charger and a supercharger, Major differences between the two (besides the obvious) and recommended use.
Turbo or Supercharged?
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Points taken.
But as you know, the Lotus guys are anal about losing weight on their cars. The TVS setup weighs wayyy less than a turbo setup with intercooler and all, so it works out for them in the sense they don't add on as much weight, especially around the engine bay, where most of the mass is already centered in their MR cars.
But I do agree with you on many fronts. If a Lotus member wasn't up to throwing me his MP62 and injectors, along with his TVS after he gets it & when he goes back to stock, I'd have saved up to go turbo.
But as you know, the Lotus guys are anal about losing weight on their cars. The TVS setup weighs wayyy less than a turbo setup with intercooler and all, so it works out for them in the sense they don't add on as much weight, especially around the engine bay, where most of the mass is already centered in their MR cars.
But I do agree with you on many fronts. If a Lotus member wasn't up to throwing me his MP62 and injectors, along with his TVS after he gets it & when he goes back to stock, I'd have saved up to go turbo.
For the first time we agree.....if you want a turbo..sell the Celica and buy a Subi/EVO. Why put all the money and work into a car that will never be better than a used Sub/EVOi. Dude save your money...because if you turbo it you'll need a second job....
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hey with my build and a rotex supercharger i hope to be making some high numbers as much as a turbo or even more.
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yeah it would work with a rotex if modifed just not for greedy sc. im aiming high with a sc after the new DD IM
Dudes take it from a guy that's spent a tons of money on cars over the years......and I know the guys makin this stuff will hate me.....but buy a different car, use your unmodified Celica as a trade-in and get the SC/Turbo car you want to be as good as......
If you don't have fuuuuk U money to piss away don't do it......trust me I know what I'm talkin about....
If you don't have fuuuuk U money to piss away don't do it......trust me I know what I'm talkin about....
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Im certain the weight difference between a turbo and a blower setup is marginal....to even bring something like that up is next to irrelevant
Manifold, turbo, and a next to weightless piping and fmic. Give me a break
its not that big Jesse. more like the size of a grapefruit
The Lotus guys apparently don't have a very firm grasp on power-to-weight ratio.
I have bad news for you, but the Rotrex unit needs to get air into it somehow. Good luck with a giant manifold that extends all the way to the the radiator. You should take this opportunity to abandon that ****ty Rotrex idea and move to a turbo. A 56 trim GT2871R will eat the Rotrex for breakfast and still make way more midrange power. I'll give you credit if your Rotrex can even knock off my 48 trim with stock cams and manifold.
FMIC? On a MR car? OK...
Tell that to the owners of the 2,000 lb or so Lotus vehicles who don't have floormats, cup holders, interior handle to hold onto for uninitiated passengers (ask me how I know...), and the optional power windows just to save weight.
For better power, some of them were switching over to A2W intercoolers for their supercharger setups, even the factory supercharged Exige S's due to their MR configuration. Hell, the ronin sold his A2W intercooler setup to jlitman back when he was a supercharger fanatic.
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I'd prefer the extra midrange torque, BOV sound versus whine, quieter exhaust noise, and forged drop in pistons + boost controller + tune away from making more power at a turbo's "sweet spot" above 10 psi too rather than switching pullies.
But until turbophil started pushing EFI standalone ECU's with his kit, safe reflashes were all the rage on that site. And of course, they were coupled with the Greddy styled supercharger kits.
the kid is driving a celica, not a Lotus. stop referencing the Lotus guys when clearly it's a different platform just with the same motor.
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I don't think he's going to get it....I added maybe 20+ lbs more to the car vs the TVS setup, but I've allowed for WAY MORE power all over the rev range, apparently the 20+ lbs negates the gains...according to him (demonstrated by his defense of the TVS with remarks about its "light weight" features over a turbo setup). Those guys better not eat before they get in their car either, cause that'll surely fvck their day up
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lol i will let you knwo it looks like there will be enough room to get a rotex in there. and run the filter underneath it. and would even have less piping running from the rotex to manifold since they are closer. rather that or i might have to custom make a braket to fit by the alternator so its low enough to fit.
and i would go turbo but i would hate to waste a good race header
:rofl::rofl::rofl: that made my day!!
I think someone said that for every 10lbs that our cars lose, it's about equil to 1hp. relatively meaningless if you ask me.
99.9% of these Lotus guys worried about the weight are idiots when power can be made so easy with a turbo.......
First off the Lotus has always felt better on track/road with a passenger siting on the otherside, this low weight BS is for guys that are too fuvkin cheap to add power..
What freakin idiots playin ricky racer takin out the cheap ass carpets thinkin that they'll go faster.....
Oh yeah I sold Jordan my intake manifold only.....weight is not the enemy...lack of power is...
First off the Lotus has always felt better on track/road with a passenger siting on the otherside, this low weight BS is for guys that are too fuvkin cheap to add power..
What freakin idiots playin ricky racer takin out the cheap ass carpets thinkin that they'll go faster.....
Oh yeah I sold Jordan my intake manifold only.....weight is not the enemy...lack of power is...
You've obviously missed the numerous idiots on this site who seriously drive around Celicas with gutted interiors and think that lexan windows are a good idea on a daily-driven car. If they wanted to go fast, why in God's name did they buy a Celica?
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i went with the supercharger due to the ease of installation. the only issues were the cracked brackets (easily fixed or replaced by the boe brackets) and the bypass valve (easily replaced as well). some of us just wanted a little more pep not a destroy all vehicle. just know your power goals ahead of time. it may be better just to change your platform.
Ha, for the first time we also agree:gap: Big plus 1... the 2ZZ is a pretty tough motor to "work with" from a $$ point of view. Getting 280-290whp is a cake walk. No big deal. Obtaining much more than that and it takes FU money, time, and experience.
Start with a k20/k24 frankenstein platform, subi, evo or just something with bigger balls unless you're really just the pioneering sort that would drop your junk in a desk drawer and slam it shut with a smile on your face:AF:...
My two cents which are probably worth less...
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