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The 1ZZ AWD needs a clearance on the back of the block that the 2ZZ block does not have. It would interfere with something, maybe an oil passage. It's not a very robust AWD on the 1ZZ anyway. I do believe that the E153 bolts to the 2ZZ, but I don't know if the AWD E153F has the same clearance issues as the AWD parts from the 1ZZ setup.
 

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It is not possible to fit the transmission of a celica gt4 st205 into 2zzge in any way? This transmission is perfect for its robustness and supports HP extras.

* I have studied for some time thanks in part to the people of fensport uk that there is a corolla only sold in japan (corolla runx X type) that uses 4wd with motor 1zz but only available in auto trans 4 speed, but this chassis fits its bridge Rear subframe and differential support in chassis of celica almost to perfection only making a small cut in floor of the trunk, apart the front engine bridge also adapts to perfection leaving more space for the transfer of the gearbox
this is the car.....

https://www.tradecarview.com/es/used_car/toyota/corolla+runx/20796508/

https://www.tradecarview.com/es/used_car/toyota/corolla+runx/21081437/

Everything is sure that if there are other models type of corolla in 4wd of these years they will share parts and they will serve, these in particular are 1.5 motor type but if there are 1.8 1zz what if I do not know and I think there is no possibility of 4wd with manual gearbox In these corolla. And if you look at the pictures of the low back links are identical to those of a celica, the fuel tank would also have to be exchanged since it leaves space for the cardan and the celica I think not.
The 1ZZ AWD needs a clearance on the back of the block that the 2ZZ block does not have. It would interfere with something, maybe an oil passage. It's not a very robust AWD on the 1ZZ anyway. I do believe that the E153 bolts to the 2ZZ, but I don't know if the AWD E153F has the same clearance issues as the AWD parts from the 1ZZ setup.
I'm gonna try to reply to both of you and give you the information as I know it. I know its taking me some time to find a trans that will work and honestly the problem inst the transmission its more of affordability.

Now to answer r1's question: The 154 transmission isnt a problem you can use it it will fit just as well as a 153 the problem isn't so much the transmission as it is the transfer case. I do agree that the 154 transmission is pretty bullet proof, I'm not saying you cant use it I;m saying you cant use the transfer case you will have to get a newer one which fortunately there all the same bolt on so if you get one that is smaller. I picked up the rav4 one which is pretty universal with the rx300,sienna, and matrix yadda yadda yadda. you can also see the picture I previously posed showing a 154 transmission and how it doesn't quite line up


Second thing you had was that the run x which is a corolla and we do share the chassis as a old corolla, the problem is they only made awd things auto. I have no idea why. The car I found that uses the same chassis and a manual was the rav4. I'm not saying it will work and that's why I have been taking a little longer making sure I won't be out a ton of money if things go sideways

Lastly to answer bitter... Not really answer just steer in the right direction. Firstly the e153 wont bolt up you need a adapter plate to make it work. only transmission that bolt to the zz block are C series engines. Also the second thing. The 1zz has two different blocks one for the awd platform and one for 2wd. In a previous post I showed someone with a 1zz who cut into the block to get the trans and transfer case in.... unfortunately it was a auto.. I linked the forum I found the post on if you have a 1zz it might help. Finally the 2zz block may not have enough clearance... I am waiting for my spare block to get here so I can do some cutting because there is no proof that there is oil passage there its just thought to be there. Who knows maybe without the big monster of a transfer case the 154f is it might not need cutting... Also a noting where the transfer case goes there is a motor mount in the way so possibly wont have trouble cutting if needed....

Thats all I know for now still waiting on parts
 

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ahh ok thanks for the info!!
I will be very attentive to this forum as I will in the future try to do!
Here in Spain we have rav4, of which year they share chassis ??
Since I think it would be more economical than parts of a gt4 and that are harder to find around here.
 

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ahh ok thanks for the info!!
I will be very attentive to this forum as I will in the future try to do!
Here in Spain we have rav4, of which year they share chassis ??
Since I think it would be more economical than parts of a gt4 and that are harder to find around here.


There share the same up to 2005. after that they got a little longer so a custom drive shaft is needed
 

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Jake, congrats on documenting your finds! This was also covered in the *GTS Jason thread. But you better focus on the 'centre diff lock' to consider what you are doing.

The 1st gens matrix have rear viscous coupler to transmit power 'anti slip' mode. Not to mention auto makers define part-time/full-time in their own fashion. True part-time/full-time is something different.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pN6-gCxI60g

If you could document how that works for 2nd gen matrix, rx300, sienna ,rav4 there is good reason we think the Russian celica uses this but nobody wanted that setup. It would be good for snow drifting

http://www.rav4world.com/pdf/2006/2006_4wdsystem.pdf

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So it is possible just need either the e153 or apparently the E359F almost exact gear ratio but apparently according to Toyota it is full time awd unlike the 154f which apparently is only part time
Not true. E15xf is full-time determined by 'centre lock' mode. E154f does not have the locking lever.

https://rav4gtt.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/e154fnodifflock.jpg

First of all the early rav4 is based off a old corolla platform... The same platform as the matrix and celica. So I am guessing most of the parts will work. Now the reason I am trying to get the E250 (I'm not saying that this cant be done without the 153, in fact if you already have a e153 or a auto trans you can do this with just getting the parts I have listed along with a transfer case)
Not true. you cannot use E15xf without the '96-'00 subframe that does not fit the T23. Switch occurs at '98 for corolla, '02 for caldina, so why did toyota drop the E15xf on ST246? why did fensport need a custom engine cradle? everything must be from '01-'05.

Who knows maybe without the big monster of a transfer case the 154f is it might not need cutting... Also a noting where the transfer case goes there is a motor mount in the way so possibly wont have trouble cutting if needed....
That monster transfer case houses the viscous coupler or maybe high power robust applications. It must be fitted to the rear axle for 1zz 2zz clearance, plus block modification needed, but not enough to puncture it.

Automatic is more Lego while A2xx U2xx U1xx use same bellhouse. E359f is your best gamble. Don't know about E250f though you have two type of systems.
http://gtfour.supras.org.nz/gearbox.htm
1.) mechanical lock, introduced '86 for N/A
a. pneumatic actuator
b. hydraulic multi plate clutch
2.) viscous coupling, introduced '87 for F/I
c. revised coupler housing

E50f (1st gen) 3s-gte
E150f (2nd gen) 3s-gte
E154f (3rd gen) 3s-gte
E250f (4th gen) 3s-beams (2nd gen)
A540h(4th gen) 3s-beams (2nd gen)

E = Electronic control
F = Four wheel drive
H = AWD Transverse mount engine
L = Lock-up torque converter
D = Separates 3-speed 4-speed

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qY3ZE5yevOQ
 

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Jake, congrats on documenting your finds! This was also covered in the *GTS Jason thread. But you better focus on the 'centre diff lock' to consider what you are doing.

The 1st gens matrix have rear viscous coupler to transmit power 'anti slip' mode. Not to mention auto makers define part-time/full-time in their own fashion. True part-time/full-time is something different.

http://forums.genvibe.com/files/imported/207053=7354-File0040.bmp.cf.jpg

If you could document how that works for 2nd gen matrix, rx300, sienna ,rav4 there is good reason we think the Russian celica uses this but nobody wanted that setup. It would be good for snow drifting only.


Not true. E15xf is full-time determined by 'centre lock' mode. E154f does not have the locking lever.

https://rav4gtt.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/e154fnodifflock.jpg



Not true. you cannot use E15xf without the '96-'00 subframe that does not fit the T23. Switch occurs at '98 for corolla, caldina, so why did toyota drop the E15xf on ST245w? why did fensport need a custom engine cradle? everything must be from '01-'05.

Automatic is more Lego's while A2xx U2xx U1xx use same bellhouse. E359f is your best gamble. Don't know about E250f though.
Hey 2j,
Admire what you have done and yes I followed Jason thread... Well mostly just a lurker, but I thought I would give it a try. Thanks for the helpful correction on the rav4 chassis, I dont quite understand with some of what you mentioned. There is a kit to fit the 153 trans onto the chassis and the basis of my plans are based more on the rav4 rx, and sienna which I found all using the same transfer case on which I picked up. I will research and provide more info on its full time abilities. I do have plans to get a E359 but my truck is a little broken cant really get it back quite yet... thinking later this week. Also I learned periods are important I was trying to say the e359 was full time not the 153 the 154 I was aware was only part time.

Off to gather more info on the transfer case,
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Hey 2j,
Admire what you have done and yes I followed Jason thread... Well mostly just a lurker, but I thought I would give it a try. Thanks for the helpful correction on the rav4 chassis, I dont quite understand with some of what you mentioned. There is a kit to fit the 153 trans onto the chassis and the basis of my plans are based more on the rav4 rx, and sienna which I found all using the same transfer case on which I picked up. I will research and provide more info on its full time abilities. I do have plans to get a E359 but my truck is a little broken cant really get it back quite yet... thinking later this week. Also I learned periods are important I was trying to say the e359 was full time not the 153 the 154 I was aware was only part time.

Off to gather more info on the transfer case,
Jake.
Also note the steering rack is right there where the propshaft comes out. Everything is pretty straight ahead on this conversion except for the transfer case setup. I have been to fensport and looked at their Celica on the lift(they were kind enough to put it on there for me). I tool several photos I will Tru and find and post. The rear end is easy. It's just the transfer case...

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Also note the steering rack is right there where the propshaft comes out. Everything is pretty straight ahead on this conversion except for the transfer case setup. I have been to fensport and looked at their Celica on the lift(they were kind enough to put it on there for me). I tool several photos I will Tru and find and post. The rear end is easy. It's just the transfer case...

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So this is something I am afraid of, but when looking under the rx and rav4(Note the rav4 is heavily modded) the neck of the transfer case is under the steering rack. They used some sort of spacer to prop it up a little. I had to drop the k frame/cradle to even be able to pull the transfer case. Still I am afraid it will be a problem. it just adds a little more to the problem.

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I support this!
My third Audi build is nearing completion. Might go back to Toyota for the next one...

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I was going to add more data, but you hit the quote button. I want to confirm this list but the link has died.

http://www.vibratesoftware.com/html_help/html/Toyota/Toyota_Transmission_Gear_Ratios.htm

E=transaxle case (Bolt pttern)
3=chassis/diff (Generation)
5=no. gears (Gears)
9=ratios (Application)

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Exclusive to the Scion tC: note the slightly shorter 5th gear, and much shorter final drive compared to the Camry E351. Please, do not confuse the E35x for the E153. The E35x has a completely different transaxle case.
I think this transmission may fit a T23 but a member bolted an e15xf into 2az-fe with the exception of one bolt that did not line up.. 3s-fe bolt with 2az-fe was possible and e15xf transaxle case has same flywheel/clutch, but needs custom cradle, it is not similar to e35xf chassis.
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I was going to add more data, but you hit the


2j any information is helpful especially if it's repeated because it shows we actually figured out something so we can keep this moving forward, I'm basically just the test monkey

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Jake, I checked into that Rx300 case, and it has the right potential, but before I explain this, even though nothing is attached, that case relies on ABS vehicle sensors and ECU's. Not sure about the manual Rav4.

It seems toyota had *revised a compact transfer case when the switch to aluminum engines occurred. The viscous/mech. lock are on the opposite side (front LSD housing) rather the passenger axle shaft.

It's V6 powered, full-time viscous/mech. centre lock with rear torsen lsd *option. Now with that bit of info there is still a question of 50/50 torque split. I couldn't get any info on this for two years, but I already knew the answer...
 

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Jake, I checked into that Rx300 case, and it has the right potential, but before I explain this, even though nothing is attached, that case relies on ABS vehicle sensors and ECU's. Not sure about the manual Rav4.

It seems toyota had *revised a compact transfer case when the switch to aluminum engines occurred. The viscous/mech. lock are on the opposite side (front LSD housing) rather the passenger axle shaft.

It's V6 powered, full-time viscous/mech. centre lock with rear torsen lsd *option. Now with that bit of info there is still a question of 50/50 torque split. I couldn't get any info on this for two years, but I already knew the answer...


2j, I'm glad you could find that info I couldnt really find anything useful on it, maybe you could help explain how it relies on the abs sensors?

From a outside view of looking at both there is no wires that connect to it and they look almost exactly similar.

I was lucky enough to get the last option (spinning one side the other goes in same rotation while driving the rear) the same for the rear diff.

Last thing is when looking at the e359f compared to the regular (non Awd) they have completely different final drives. Maybe you can help me find some more info on that because as o see it now basically the transfer case is acting more like a diff. Yet I can't find any info on the transfer case gearing.

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Just double checking the 359 comes off of a 2az engine so it might be the best option rather than the older 250 that comes off a 3s fe


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Now the transfer case doesn't have any wires going to it it is basically just a differential that bolts up to your transmission. the one I chose was a 50/50 lsd off a rav4. but there are different types. Still they are just a front differential you could bolt it up and the ecu wouldnt know or even want to know.
It's 4wd specific ECU gathers information, via VSS, ABS, RPM,TPS and could trigger the ABS to apply brake to control 'spin/slip' (wheels of least resistance) Open diff will route power to wheels with traction because no brake is applied (wheels of least resistance)

2j, I'm glad you could find that info I couldnt really find anything useful on it, maybe you could help explain how it relies on the abs sensors?

From a outside view of looking at both there is no wires that connect to it and they look almost exactly similar.

I was lucky enough to get the last option (spinning one side the other goes in same rotation while driving the rear) the same for the rear diff.

Last thing is when looking at the e359f compared to the regular (non Awd) they have completely different final drives. Maybe you can help me find some more info on that because as o see it now basically the transfer case is acting more like a diff. Yet I can't find any info on the transfer case gearing.
Note: this is only my interpretation of the matrix and it sounds like you picked both equipped with LSD, that's pretty cool man!

Open diffs will turn opposite ways and route to least resistant. LSD turns same ways and route to most resistant. Needs replacing at the time of your clutch.

Different gear ratios or gear rings? The 2wd is non-LSD so the rings/axles are generally non-interchangeable. If you want to slap on your transfer case it's a very big job.

That reminds me, do the hubs & calipers seem robust on a matrix AWD?
GTS/XRS used 275mm rotors but transfer case with Rav4 axles is more like 295mm?
 

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It's 4wd specific ECU gathers information, via VSS, ABS, RPM,TPS and could trigger the ABS to apply brake to control 'spin/slip' (wheels of least resistance) Open diff will route power to wheels with traction because no brake is applied (wheels of least resistance)



Note: this is only my interpretation of the matrix and it sounds like you picked both equipped with LSD, that's pretty cool man!

Open diffs will turn opposite ways and route to least resistant. LSD turns same ways and route to most resistant. Needs replacing at the time of your clutch.

Different gear ratios or gear rings? The 2wd is non-LSD so the rings/axles are generally non-interchangeable. If you want to slap on your transfer case it's a very big job.

That reminds me, do the hubs & calipers seem robust on a matrix AWD?
GTS/XRS used 275mm rotors but transfer case with Rav4 axles is more like 295mm?


As I'm familiar with it now the 00 Gts doesn't have traction control... And some times in the northwest here is quite annoying when It slips. That could be why I overlooked what you were explaining. I was planning on doing the 295 swap I found here
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=343568#/

Reason for this is my rear rotors squeel every morning and it's driving me insane. So why not do the upgrade while I'm at it.

I'm not sure about the calipers though. It's a stock engine not making that much power it might need a upgrad but the rotor might help.
 

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Just double checking the 359 comes off of a 2az engine so it might be the best option rather than the older 250 that comes off a 3s fe
It has the corolla gear shifter facing the wrong side. I figure you know how to modify that by routing a new exhaust because the shifter cables will interfere with the manifold.

The master cylinder is there as well, so check your engine bay. I would check out E351with 3.9 final '08-'14 scion xb because of the tiny engine bay.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/attachments/scion-tc-1g-drivetrain-power-1637/26931d1501249395-2gr-fe-engine-swap-null_zpsb1f4a130.jpg
I know for sure the echo/yaris has the correct side shifter as you can tell by the size of them. The gearing will always be a pain if you're automatic or you risk cutting a hole for the celica shaft .
 

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It has the corolla gear shifter facing the wrong side. I figure you know how to modify that by routing a new exhaust because the shifter cables will interfere with the manifold.

The master cylinder is there as well, so check your engine bay. I would check out E351with 3.9 final '08-'14 scion xb because of the tiny engine bay.

I know for sure the echo/yaris has the correct side shifter as you can tell by the size of them. The gearing will always be a pain if you're automatic or you risk cutting a hole for the celica shaft .
Not running auto. Just wondering if you know or not does the 351 have the option available to bolt on the transfer case. The E250 off the 90's rav4 looks like it has everything on the correct side I would just need to find a way to bolt it on. They are verily small close to the same size as the c60
 
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